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The topic says it all.

Why do governments feel the need to make drugs illegal? If anything, it causes a lot more problems than there were before. If they were legalized, there would not be nearly as many violent actions over getting them since the prices would not be nearly as high. There would not been as many people over doing it with drugs, since it would eventually just become a normal thing in day-to-day life.

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And more people will continue to try and smuggle drugs to get past the taxes the government will impose on them. Drugs will always be smuggled no matter what you do, and the government will always try and stop them.


No, they won't. The fact that people are smuggling it in at the risk of years in prison is enough to bring up the selling price exponentially.

Second, hallucogens such as LSD can also cause major mental issues, any hallucogen is known to sometimes have some permanent effects on the mind, causing insanity and depression.


Actually, LSD has no lasting effects besides extremely rare flashbacks, where one is suddenly immersed in a past hallucination. Many studies have shown LSD and other hallucinogens to be psychologically bonding, not physically.
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Does alcohol denote low class? Does tobacco denote low class? Depends on the tobacco. Depends on the alcohol. The same stigma would be present in the different illegal drugs too. The class thing isn't a problem. The class thing doesn't matter. Besides, do we outlaw shoddy clothes or oily hair? No. We don't outlaw things that lower your class appearance or social standing purely for that reason.

I agree, if items were illegal for being sloppy then this country would be all the less exciting. There are other reasons for making items illegal.
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just saying, its white-trash

FROST101
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Drugs are bad,they could kill you.
Thats why theyre not legalized.

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No, they won't. The fact that people are smuggling it in at the risk of years in prison is enough to bring up the selling price exponentially.


You have no idea how much taxes would mean to somebody who sells drugs. Some people would rather work around the system instead of going with it. Which is why I stated that some would rather smuggle than legally sell it. Taxes play a large role in todays economy.



Actually, LSD has no lasting effects besides extremely rare flashbacks, where one is suddenly immersed in a past hallucination. Many studies have shown LSD and other hallucinogens to be psychologically bonding, not physically.


It may not have lasting effects, but since you argue that drugs should be legal, then I am making the assumption that those who use these drugs will use them often, if that means once a week, or 3 times a day, the effect will still be great.
Of course, the effects would dissipate after a extended period of abstinence from drugs, but why would somebody do that, if drugs are legal?
Somers
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hmmm wait lets backtrack...we talking all drugs or just marijuana? Cause some things like meth NEED to stay illegal

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just saying, its white-trash


Drugs are not seen as white-trash. Cocaine is a symbol of success. Heroine is gangsta. Weed is considered cool. See where I'm going?
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Drugs are bad,they could kill you.
Thats why theyre not legalized.

McDonald's and fried chicken are still legal.
Somers
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yes i see where your going but it all depends on your values

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Who in Thor's green earth said posting here would make it legal?

I made this topic just so people could exchange ideas and debate over drug legalization. Which is actually going quite well, I am pleased to say.

Anyways!

I am surprised more people have not pointed out the tax aspect of it all. If the gov't could just somehow find a way to make it legal and tax it(while competing with previous price pre-legalization), a killing would be made.
But that would be difficult to do, and would take a lot of warming up to for the populous. A major isssue would be people still selling it illegally by not taxing it.

BUT!
If the gov't would, in one example, take a more direct role in the process that could be alleviated. Such as marijuana.
Gov't takes a fairly small piece of a budget, buys acres of land in the Midwest, and grows the product themselves. That way, they could undercut the small time illegal operations simply by mass growing operations.
Furthermore, this would create a huge and previously untapped source of legal jobs. You'd need farmers, a maintnance crew, security, and so on.
Eventually, the gov't could actually use already established and previously illegal drug connections for their own profit. Buy out or merge with known drug lords and suppliers. That would give the drugs lords and such a new, legal job. Gov't gets a whole new and established client list. Just throw some gov't workers to watch over things and voila! Legalized, controlled, taxed and cheap drugs.

Everyone is happy.
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McDonald's and fried chicken are still legal.


I think shutting down McDonald's would cost the government quite a bit in taxes and real estate. Also imagine what people who eat there constantly would do.......... Have a heart attack! (Pun intended).
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wait whats the point of saying mcdonalds and fried chicken are still legal? Its food...?

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Who in Thor's green earth said posting here would make it legal?

I made this topic just so people could exchange ideas and debate over drug legalization. Which is actually going quite well, I am pleased to say.

Anyways!

I am surprised more people have not pointed out the tax aspect of it all. If the gov't could just somehow find a way to make it legal and tax it(while competing with previous price pre-legalization), a killing would be made.
But that would be difficult to do, and would take a lot of warming up to for the populous. A major isssue would be people still selling it illegally by not taxing it.

BUT!
If the gov't would, in one example, take a more direct role in the process that could be alleviated. Such as marijuana.
Gov't takes a fairly small piece of a budget, buys acres of land in the Midwest, and grows the product themselves. That way, they could undercut the small time illegal operations simply by mass growing operations.
Furthermore, this would create a huge and previously untapped source of legal jobs. You'd need farmers, a maintnance crew, security, and so on.
Eventually, the gov't could actually use already established and previously illegal drug connections for their own profit. Buy out or merge with known drug lords and suppliers. That would give the drugs lords and such a new, legal job. Gov't gets a whole new and established client list. Just throw some gov't workers to watch over things and voila! Legalized, controlled, taxed and cheap drugs.

Everyone is happy.


Those drug lords wouldn't be allowed to do such a thing. The government would convict them and send them to jail. There is no argument there, nobody should be spared from jail because of their weed selling skill.
Also, if they are selling the weed for less than Mexican drug lords, without taxes, then it will become a bankrupted business that will fail eventually. They could bail it out, sort of like a bank, but that would increase the national debt even further, which we do not need to do.
Also, it wouldn't stop the drug smuggling for quite a while. When you undercut the drug lords, they will undercut you, and so on, until America eventually closes it's weed crops and the Drug lords come out on top.
Only good thing is that it will create jobs... For people who want to grow weed in the Midwest.
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wait whats the point of saying mcdonalds and fried chicken are still legal? Its food...?

Exactly. Something that you need to survive, yet can kill you. Same basic principle of physical addiction.
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Wait how does that relate to drugs? you dont need them to survive...but i guess you can get that sense from drugs...thats why theirs clinics

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Exactly. Something that you need to survive, yet can kill you. Same basic principle of physical addiction.


You need drugs to survive?.... If you are talking about the medical use for Weed then I am all in favor for distributing it to those who NEED it, then taking it away once the problem is solved.
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