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Devoidless
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The topic says it all.

Why do governments feel the need to make drugs illegal? If anything, it causes a lot more problems than there were before. If they were legalized, there would not be nearly as many violent actions over getting them since the prices would not be nearly as high. There would not been as many people over doing it with drugs, since it would eventually just become a normal thing in day-to-day life.

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NoNameC68
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Ask any body who grows cannabis and sells it if they want weed to be legalized. They will say "no, that will be bad for bussiness."

Even if drug lords did lower their prices so they still sell more than the gov't, understand that $20 worth of weed will start selling for around maybe 3$ or less! So if weed is legalied, drug dealers will make MILLIONS of dollars less. Thus, they lose more bussiness than the gov't.

Crash and burn.

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Ask any body who grows cannabis and sells it if they want weed to be legalized. They will say "no, that will be bad for bussiness."

Even if drug lords did lower their prices so they still sell more than the gov't, understand that $20 worth of weed will start selling for around maybe 3$ or less! So if weed is legalied, drug dealers will make MILLIONS of dollars less. Thus, they lose more bussiness than the gov't.

Crash and burn.


Your willing to risk Americas economy to create cheap weed? That's not worth the risk. It also uses taxpayer money that I give to the government, and I don't want my money paying for growing weed in the Midwest.
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No, it would not in your case.

You are -still- taking the whole timeline way too fast.

Drug lords could only try to undercut so much. There is a point where it just woudn't work. Illegal activities cost a lot of money to keep going. Because it's illegal. And why woudn't they just accept the buyout, instead of trying to keep on doing a risky business? And what would be wrong with them doing so(from a moral and economic view)? It's be no different than old money oil companies or the like. Just as much blood shed there. And morally, what'd you have happen to them? Shoot them in the head? It's not like the gov't never cuts deals with big time criminals or anything....

Look at California(minus the DEA and only medicinal part.) The state sanctioned dealers are running a perfectly legit, state regulated business. Think of that....larger.

*wonders how many people ninja'd him*

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John:
But you're fine with tax dollars killing civilians in wars by training terrorists, I assume? Much better cause right thuuur.

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It also uses taxpayer money that I give to the government, and I don't want my money paying for growing weed in the Midwest.


You are paying more taxes on anti-marijuana programs, marijuana law enforcement, health care for those in prison for selling marijuana, and marijuana rehabilitation centers for one time abuses (or average users who aren't even addicted) than you will EVER pay for growing cannabis!

Not only that, we move killers, rapists, and real drug abusers to nicer prisons and sentence them to less time in prison because we have too many weed sellers in prison. I fear the killers and rapists more than the pushers.
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Quite frankly, there is no good reason to keep reefer illegal. The gateway drug status would be alleviated by legalization, because it would suddenly be easy to get and there wouldn't be pushers to try to make you buy some cocaine instead, and the gov't will make a huge profit off of sales.

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John:
But you're fine with tax dollars killing civilians in wars by training terrorists, I assume? Much better cause right thuuur.


Nope, I was against the Iraq war the second we realized they really had no WMDs.

You are paying more taxes on anti-marijuana programs, marijuana law enforcement, health care for those in prison for selling marijuana, and marijuana rehabilitation centers for one time abuses (or average users who aren't even addicted) than you will EVER pay for growing cannabis!

Not only that, we move killers, rapists, and real drug abusers to nicer prisons and sentence them to less time in prison because we have too many weed sellers in prison. I fear the killers and rapists more than the pushers.


You state a good point, but those same people who distribute weed also distribute various other drugs, and pretty much everybody here has said that only a select few drugs should be legal and not all of them. So by letting weed dealers run free, you are also letting crack, heroine, and LSD run free also.
As for moving higher level criminals out of prison, I don't agree with Americas policy on that. I think that Weed dealers should be deported back to their own country and put in their jails, especially since the Mexican government supports our drug war.
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So by letting weed dealers run free, you are also letting crack, heroine, and LSD run free also.


They would not run free, they would be put in prison for distribution of illegal drugs. The drug dealers who made their profit from marijuana alone would simply be put out of bussiness.
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No, it would not in your case.

You are -still- taking the whole timeline way too fast.

Drug lords could only try to undercut so much. There is a point where it just woudn't work. Illegal activities cost a lot of money to keep going. Because it's illegal. And why woudn't they just accept the buyout, instead of trying to keep on doing a risky business? And what would be wrong with them doing so(from a moral and economic view)? It's be no different than old money oil companies or the like. Just as much blood shed there. And morally, what'd you have happen to them? Shoot them in the head? It's not like the gov't never cuts deals with big time criminals or anything....

Look at California(minus the DEA and only medicinal part.) The state sanctioned dealers are running a perfectly legit, state regulated business. Think of that....larger.

*wonders how many people ninja'd him*


I really wish another person would answer all of this for me so I can get back to playing some games.

The drug lords would hold out until the very end, knowing that they can make more money out of this than they could any other job. They would take it far enough to ruin America's economy until they finally gave up. I agree that they will give up, but not until they literally have to.
At that point, it would have cast less to keep the drug war going than to keep selling our overly cheap weed to drug abusers. Also, my taxpayer money would be paying for it.
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They would not run free, they would be put in prison for distribution of illegal drugs. The drug dealers who made their profit from marijuana alone would simply be put out of bussiness.


By saying this you invalidate your original point of drug dealers clogging up prison. They would still be going to prison and high level criminals would still be getting out. Problem not solved.

Anyway, this is my last post before I take a break from my computer. I can't wait to come back and see all the replies directed at me. Have a great day guys, love the debate.
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The drug lords would hold out until the very end, knowing that they can make more money out of this than they could any other job. They would take it far enough to ruin America's economy until they finally gave up. I agree that they will give up, but not until they literally have to.

The only way for you to know that would be if you were the secret God of drug-dealing who told all of your drug-dealing minions what to do.
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BUT, the gov't will make more money form this. More money to help getting the economy going. Is that bad?
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Most likely the reason weed isn't legal right now is becuase the government is trying to keep up a good image in the eyes of overprotective parents. Why do you think we have so many child protection laws? Why are crimes against kids considered so bad? The reason weed is still illegal is because of dumb*** parents who have no idea what they're talking about and spend most of their time boycotting anything that can get poor little Timmy hurt.

There is a scare that has been around for a while that makes people afraid of anything labeled as a "drug". While more level headed people might understand the benefits of legalizing weed, who of us is willing and has the resources to lobby the idea? Scared people are controllable people so as long as the populace is afraid of weed and drug dealers, and the crime that come with illegal activity they'll hold onto their laws.

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Nah, the drug dealers would be put out of bussiness fairly easily. They would not take it far enough to ruin the economy because their goal is to make a profit. Understand that if weed is legal, people will still go to a store to buy weed (even if it is more expensive) than from a criminal dealer. Most people are too lazy to find a dealer or don't want to buy from someone who sells other illegal drugs.

Take a look at the prohibition against alcohol. It was legalized and bootlegging quickly went downhill. There were hardly any negative effects from legalizing alcohol other than the fact that alcohol should never have been legal in the first place (too late to change that now).

I highly suggest people watch this documentry. If anybody finds a good anti-weed documentry, I would love to watch. I have not found a good one yet.

WATCH ME!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not encouraging people to smoke weed. In fact, I encourage people don't smoke weed. It is a drug and it is always best to get by without drugs if possible. I just find cannabis to be a bigger problem illegal than it would be legal.

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The drug lords would hold out until the very end, knowing that they can make more money out of this than they could any other job. They would take it far enough to ruin America's economy until they finally gave up. I agree that they will give up, but not until they literally have to.
At that point, it would have cast less to keep the drug war going than to keep selling our overly cheap weed to drug abusers. Also, my taxpayer money would be paying for it.


This is a perfect example of my point. Drug dealers don't have that kind of control in America, this isn't Mexico. They don't have the resources or the ability to fight a war here. With a little pressure they would give.

This is the kind of cowed thought process that those in charge want you to have. They like it when they have you thinking they're doing everything in your best interest. That's how they keep they're jobs.
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Too many people are fed lies about Marijuana, here are some facts about it:

1: No matter how much you smoke it, Marijuana will not kill you. However, it should not be used by people under the age of 21. The reason why is because if kids smoke it then they will become lazy and unmotivated.

2. Pretty much the worst thing to happen from smoking it would be that you get the munchies, then eat too much and get sick. That's about it.

3. Marijuana is a incredible pain reliever and stress reliever.

4. How many people have died in a car accident from being high on marijuana? Very very very few people have, the reason why is because if you are high then you will be paranoid and driving very slow and being 100x more cautious than usual. Where as alcohol has claimed the lives of thousands if not millions of people due to drunk drivers.

Instead of jailing hundreds of thousands of people for possession of Marijuana the Government should start taxing it and trying to make money off of it. It could be sold in stores just like cigarettes, where you have to be at least 21 or older to purchase.

Doing this would start making money for the government, thus helping the economy, lowering crime rates, and making it cheaper to pick up some.... you know.

I do believe in making drugs like Cocaine, Meth, and Heroin illegal. Since these are deadly and are made with many lethal chemicals.

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