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NoNameC68
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The Road to CanadaCare? Sally Pipes on The Truth About ObamaCare

This lady is Fing crazy. There's no way national health care can fail. It's a fail proof plan. Obama plans on giving people MORE health care options, not create a monopoly.

Look at this lady. She is obviously faking her scenario.

Ok, maybe I am being biased only posting stuff from ReasonTV, an obviously biased and corrupted source. Nobody else out there is as misinformed as Reason TV, are they?

What about this guy? Hmm, he seems pretty crazy as well. I don't trust his real time, non rehearsed approach. I guess there are other nut jobs out there.

Thisperson was obviously hired by Fox news to lie. It's a conspiracy, I swear.

Canadian health care is awesome. I'm glad America is run by Liberals. Power to the people, through government control and regulation!

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wolf1991
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Where does Canada rank compared to the US? Look at the videos I linked to. I believe your ranking system could be BS.


Regardless of what you believe

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_ove_hea_per-health-overall-performance

The top 19. Funny I don't see the U.S on there.

Then pay for private health insurance. Just because you want to pay more taxes and be covered doesn't mean I want the same thing. So greedy.


I'm greedy? I believe people are entitled to three main things:

1. Healthcare
2. Education
3. Security of the Person

How am I greedy when I think that everyone deserves something? I would consider you to be greedy because you would have the poor and needy die and suffer because they cannot afford coverage.

I don't have health insurance because I can't afford it and I choose not to have it. Nation health care is NOT free and I can't even afford to pay 100 dollars a month. Why must I be FORCED to pay for health care?


Do you not want to live in a free country?


All things must have limits. I am willing to give a little liberty in order to be secure and reassured I can pursue my freedom in other ways.

Why pay for any insurance? Why pay car insurance if you've never been in an accident? Simple, because if something happens you can be reasonably sure that you're covered. What if you get cancer? Or contract some other disease? You admit you have no insurance, what happens then?

The media has you brainwashed into thinking this is a moral issue. Fine, let's call it a moral issue. We are forcing people to pay for something they don't want. That is wrong and immoral.


It's also wrong to allow those without insurance to suffer. I never made it a moral issue, you did.
wolf1991
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Obamacare makes me sad because now are great country is becoming a tundra like Canada.


Canada is not all doom and gloom and "oh look polar bears!" We're a well reasoned people with a quiet pride in our nation, we too are a great country. And how does getting a universal healthcare system change your climate?
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Hey I was just joking dude.

Avorne
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A reform to US healthcare was needed, certainly. Whether Obama has gone about it the right way is a different issue - I don't believe that healthcare has been dealt with effectively.

holt24
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Oh yeah healthcare definitely needed to be changed but the direction Obama took it was a bad one.

wolf1991
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Oh yeah healthcare definitely needed to be changed but the direction Obama took it was a bad one.


You know this how?
holt24
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Because healthcare is a large portion of our economy and the Government controlling it will only lead to a loss in free market.

25wes25
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Is this one of those obama fest debates?

ImaFiringMyLazar
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Is this one of those obama fest debates?


Yeah, and Obama giving healthcare. Wow...
thelistman
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Because healthcare is a large portion of our economy and the Government controlling it will only lead to a loss in free market.

There is no government plan under "obamacare." The law requires everyone to purchase insurance through a private insurance company. It will increase the revenue of the insurance companies and allow them to cover pre-existing conditions. There is no government run health plan.

holt24
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To correct you a little it won't allow them to cover pre-existing conditions it makes them.

NoNameC68
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The top 19. Funny I don't see the U.S on there.


Thank you, you proved my point. Throwing these random rankings around means nothing. They took into consideration obesity? What does that have to do with health care? Actually, nothing on the list is related to health care. Just because a country has healthier people does not mean they have better health care!

Look how unhealthy Americans are, yet we are able to keep them alive. Superior hospitals? Maybe. Your source is invalid and if you look at it from a scientific approach, there are too many uncontrolled variables to use what you linked as actual evidence.

Look at Greece, it is ranked 14. Have you not heard the recent news? Greece is what happened when the government supported the people, and not the other way around.

I'm greedy? I believe people are entitled to three main things:

1. Healthcare
2. Education
3. Security of the Person


I can argue that everyone is entitled to a home. I can say that everyone is entitled to a car so they can go to work. Everyone is entitled to a job. Everyone is entitled to free college.

We aren't entitled to health care. Life is a right, not a privilege. A right is something the government can't take away, not what they must give!

Yes, you're greedy! You're taking money from everyone and giving it to the minority you crook! NOT ONLY THAT, but many people don't have health care because they CHOOSE not to have health care. You aren't being greedy by forcing people to buy health insurance just because you can't afford it yourself?

I mean, what I meant to say is, I like your list, but mine is better.

The government should provide everyone happiness. Everybody is entitled to,

1. Free beer
2. Free hookers
3. Free potato guns

All provided by increased taxes, mind you.

All things must have limits. I am willing to give a little liberty in order to be secure and reassured I can pursue my freedom in other ways.


Not only will Obamacare fail and bring us into debt because you don't understand how insurance works at all, but you don't obvious have not studied American history and why America became such a success in the first place have you?

"I'm willing to do it, so everyone else should be willing to do it too."

That is the most retarded statement anyone can make in politics, because they automatically assume that they are right and nobody else but the criminally insane have opinions otherwise. Just because you're willing to become the government's bitch doesn't mean I'm willing to do the same thing.

It's also wrong to allow those without insurance to suffer.


If I knew you in person, you'd be in the hospital right now. I swear to God you would be.

I DON'T HAVE INSURANCE AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

"But you'll want it when you get cancer or hurt," you or someone else will say.

THANKS A LOT! I can't make my own decisions in life?! I need people like you and Obama to make my choices because apparently I'm not smart enough to make my own decisions?! Maybe we should allow the government to control what kind of food we are able to eat and how late we are able to stay up.

Get out of my life.

I never made it a moral issue, you did.


No, you did. You find it unfair that people are uncovered and that we should cover everyone because we should look out for each other.

There's a difference between looking out for each other and having the government force you to buy something that helps others (or is supposed to) but will actually only cost money because the president doesn't understand the basic principles of insurance, which obviously you don't either.
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Also, for those with low incomes, their insurance rates will be lower (through government subsidies). In Massachusetts, they had a similar plan to Obamacare and the poorest of the poor paid $11 a month for health insurance. People at or just above the poverty line paid $20ish. People at 2x the poverty line paid $50. 3x paid $80. Then normal rates applied for all salaries above 4x.

So if you are afraid that you can't afford it, that won't be an issue. It won't cost you hundreds a month.

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Not only will Obamacare fail and bring us into debt because you don't understand how insurance works at all, but you don't obvious have not studied American history and why America became such a success in the first place have you?


I've studied American history. I understand the basic concepts of how America came to be how it is today. However, I'll freely admit I have no love for American history, I find it over glorifies certain aspects, but I degress...

You're thinking short term. Over the long term a universal healthcare system benefits everyone and the economy. And you're making it sound as if this healthcare plan is creating the debt. You know that war, the one in the Middle East? Yeah there's a factor, and the recession, and god forbid we admit America has often been in debt before.

If I knew you in person, you'd be in the hospital right now. I swear to God you would be.


As I mod shouldn't you be above threatening me? Also send me to a hospital I'm covered. I'm Canadian

THANKS A LOT! I can't make my own decisions in life?! I need people like you and Obama to make my choices because apparently I'm not smart enough to make my own decisions?!


The average American citizen is roughly as intelligent as a grade 5 or 6.

Maybe we should allow the government to control what kind of food we are able to eat and how late we are able to stay up.


You're being childish.

There's a difference between looking out for each other and having the government force you to buy something that helps others (or is supposed to) but will actually only cost money because the president doesn't understand the basic principles of insurance, which obviously you don't either.


Very well then, since I am such an idiot according to you, and apparently you're so intelligent you tell me how you would go about reforming a system in America that is in need of help.
NoNameC68
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Over the long term a universal healthcare system benefits everyone and the economy.


No, the opposite.

As I mod shouldn't you be above threatening me? Also send me to a hospital I'm covered. I'm Canadian


Have fun in your waiting line! And yes, they do exist. Remember the videos I posted? Go on, click them. One of them will show you the waiting lines.

You're being childish.


I'm being serious! Do you know how much less violence would go on if we set a curfew?! We tell everyone they can't leave past 10 o clock except people with special permission, and we allow the police to walk around outside to make sure nobody is up to no good!

Many lives would be saved! It's not about restricting our rights, it's about protecting us! We have a right to life, therefore they must protect our life no matter what the cost! It's there responsibility!

Very well then, since I am such an idiot according to you, and apparently you're so intelligent you tell me how you would go about reforming a system in America that is in need of help.


The private system we have now is better than the system Obama wants us to adopt. I will not lie, I can't think of a better system than what we have now, and I absolutely can't stand insurance companies. But if I dislike insurance companies, why would I make a law requiring everyone to buy insurance?

Also, it isn't insurance if everyone can get it.

Let's look at car insurance. It's like buying a car that was in an accident and is uncovered. Let's say it has 1,000 dollars worth of damage. Should you be allowed to buy insurance for 200 dollars and have the insurance company cover the 1,000 dollar cost? No, that's not how insurance works! Same with health care. You can't have someone that you know will cost money, and give them insurance.

I hate insurance, but there's a reason why everyone can't be covered, it's because insurance companies will go into debt if they do cover everyone. That's why we are going to go into debt with socialized health care. We can't pay for everyone without making everybody pay an extremely inflated price. Watch taxes go up. I always loved buying books for 15 dollars, and looking at the Canadian price which would be about 25 dollars.

I want to save the world as much as anyone, but let's not go about it in a stupid way.
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