all i remember was a recycle bin.... and heaven and hell folders
I thought you said we were video game characters?
under our current observed definition of a video game it would require light from a screen... if we are the hologram under question then obviously this form of hologram ... or projection of matter (if that's more accurate)... isn't based off of light (as we know it)... and I said holographic video game... the video game part was just "if" there was/were (a) God(s) who could influence us the supposed holograms
You are stating that- for some reason- it is necessary for us to be a video game. If that was the case, that necessity would spread to the players, or we would not need it in the first place making your ideas totally invalid.
I'm saying that if we're proven to be a "hologram" then what would be projecting us?...and why? i just said that under this premise a lot of what is debated as false would now be more debatable in the opposite direction. .... that our observations and interpretations of things seem somewhat static and unchanging. I said it in my original posting that I didn't really believe it... i was having fun w/ an abstract concept that oddly tied a few things together a little differently then the current popularly held belief system.
and as for not listening to a person... but rather the facts... all i said was that I was toying w/ an idea b/c of what he said. I didn't say that just b/c he thought something was neat that I have converted to videogamerism...
now as for the rules spreading to the players.... i'm not sure how the parameters of a "video game" would also encompass those that play it outside of the game. If you play The SIMS and you choreograph one of the characters lives w/o letting them randomly do whatever they'd do otherwise then does that mean you have someone choreographing you every moment of the way? if such entities were to exist then outside of them existing i'm not sure you could come to any conclusion (hypothetical or otherwise) ...unless of course they thought they were just holograms running a hologram(us)
another take on it... if we develop some similar technology and are able to do what i am talking about... then does that mean someone is doing it to us?.... i'm not sure you can say that. it could be that we just developed that technology(not that i ever see that happening..) i just don't see the drawing of that conclusion
maybe we just go into a cache or folder somewhere and wait to respawn... the whole hologram thing is what got me thinking. maybe the player plays "God"... or maybe there is a whole hierarchy of "Gods" that manifest from a group of people playing the game.
Your not the only one to think this one up. U-Gods
it would account for a being that could make anything it wanted to happen happen. it would also account for the possibility of the heaven or hell thing...
So your accounting for things we don't even know exist or not and based on what observations we do have likely doesn't?
it has been hypothesized that we are a hologram... right after someone on here showed me an old thread one of the top physicists out there (don't know his name) got on either the Colbert report or the Daily Show w/ John Stewart and started talking about some current hypothesis... and even mentioned the whole hologram thing was mentioned for a few minutes
Not exactly, the third dimension may be an emergent property of the first two, like a hologram. So three dimensional space as we know it may be a holographic projection of two dimensions. It has nothing to do with us being like a video game.
i mean its only an attempt to rationalize a thought that's already there... which is the possibility of a God...
The only problem here is that it presupposes such a being does exist. Which is an irrational position. This is a bit like trying to rationalize thoughts of Santa Clause possibly existing.
I personally believe that what ever an individual believes in, such as Christianity or the Islamic faith, they go to that after life, of their choice. So Atheists just die and that's that. If you believe you are going to Hell, you will end up there. So, i believe i'm going to Heaven.
Huh? So there are thousands of heavens and hells and you go in the one you believe in? And so if I believe in the spaghetti monster I'll go in the spaghetti heaven? And another thing, why should someone believe he's going to go in hell?
I personally believe that what ever an individual believes in, such as Christianity or the Islamic faith, they go to that after life, of their choice. So Atheists just die and that's that. If you believe you are going to Hell, you will end up there. So, i believe i'm going to Heaven.
Ok, so I want to have it the celtic way: my spirit (I will then actually have one) will go in a Sidhe, bath in the fountain of rejuvenation, and go out following a water source, impregnating a bathing woman that will give birth to a new me.
If this won't be the case, I'll come back haunting you for lying to me...
I personally believe that what ever an individual believes in, such as Christianity or the Islamic faith, they go to that after life, of their choice. So Atheists just die and that's that. If you believe you are going to Hell, you will end up there. So, i believe i'm going to Heaven.
belief doesn't equate to reality. So just because you believe something it doesn't mean that's what's going to happen.
So your accounting for things we don't even know exist or not and based on what observations we do have likely doesn't?
i guess that's what i'm saying...but i'm not sure how to interpret your sentence.
as for the whole light thing... i was using it as an attempt to explain the theory that everything in the universe is moving... and is moving away from a certain point. Its similar to turning on a light or a water faucet... light fans out away from the source the further it goes. Water upon coming into contact w/ a a flat object (maybe this supposed lamina) spreads out from the source stream till its met its boundaries and then fills... something akin to the light one would make more sense...
as i said before... all i was getting at was that "if" we are in fact a hologram... then for what reason would we be holograms? ...unless that's just how it is. holograms as we know them have an intended purpose
its similar to the earth being the center of the universe concept... it took someone to look at the stars his entire life and keep track of different locations and do a lot of math for him to then come around and say ...hey guys... my maths telling me that we might not be the center of the universe... now, some guy's saying... Hey guys... my math is telling me that we might be a hologram or something similar to the concept of a hologram... [quote] The only problem here is that it presupposes such a being does exist. Which is an irrational position. This is a bit like trying to rationalize thoughts of Santa Clause possibly existing.
until its been proven wrong, the possibility of us being a hologram still exists. if it asserts the existence of something else... then it asserts the existence of something else... whether that something communicates w/ us or up and left/doesn't interact w/ us ...which i think would be the deist view. just b/c my interpretation of a hologram has use w/ purpose or however you want to explain it doesn't mean that the supposed "hologram" is just things exist and that there is nothing else guiding said hologram
i guess that's what i'm saying...but i'm not sure how to interpret your sentence.
It's like trying to account for the existence of goblins. Your trying to account for something that likely doesn't exist, so the premise is flawed.
as i said before... all i was getting at was that "if" we are in fact a hologram... then for what reason would we be holograms? ...unless that's just how it is. holograms as we know them have an intended purpose
It seems here you are trying to apply qualities of something man made to something natural. From what i know of this this isn't like a hologram as we know them. Also there are holograms that have no purpose but simply exist as the result of certain existing conditions. For example sailors would see natural holograms of ships miles away, these holograms were often mistaken for ghost ships.
until its been proven wrong, the possibility of us being a hologram still exists. if it asserts the existence of something else... then it asserts the existence of something else... whether that something communicates w/ us or up and left/doesn't interact w/ us ...which i think would be the deist view. just b/c my interpretation of a hologram has use w/ purpose or however you want to explain it doesn't mean that the supposed "hologram" is just things exist and that there is nothing else guiding said hologram
I'm not disputing the possibility of existing in a holographic state. However it's not stating the existence of something else, it's just saying one of the dimensions we exist in is an emergent property of the other two. A bit like how consciousness is an emergent property of the brain.
I personally believe that what ever an individual believes in, such as Christianity or the Islamic faith, they go to that after life, of their choice. So Atheists just die and that's that. If you believe you are going to Hell, you will end up there. So, i believe i'm going to Heaven.
So what happens if I believe that when I die, I'll live forever? Hmm...?
It doesn't matter how absurd what I believe is - it's still going to happen. Good news for me!
Maybe there is one all knowing God, and can you imagine billions of Muslims or Christians dying and going to a different heaven then what they believed in? So, maybe he has a defined heaven separate for each religion, like what i was talking about.
So, maybe he has a defined heaven separate for each religion, like what i was talking about.
All this is speculation...do you actually believe this? You have put forth no reasoning behind your statements other than "well, it sounds like a good idea, therefore it must be true."
Maybe there is one all knowing God, and can you imagine billions of Muslims or Christians dying and going to a different heaven then what they believed in? So, maybe he has a defined heaven separate for each religion, like what i was talking about.
This doesn't fit into the beliefs of multiple gods nor of no gods.
we become an object when we die, like your pencil, your computer, the earth itself, you become apart of the earth and that is what everyone and everything has done for the past billion years
Sasquatchcarrot this is not Harry Potter people are not like Voldermort and are able to put there souls into objects we go to Heaven or Hell depending on our sins and if we have been forgiven for them or not. I belive that there is no Hell the infact there is just a Heaven as God can forgive everyone so he can forgive them for there sins.
