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Asherlee

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Posted October 18, '10 12:17am UTC

locoace, the point is that this is a debate forum. If you can't bring anything to the table, then don't sit down.

We hold proper citation and opinions based on facts in high regard.

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Peter20

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Peasant

Posted October 18, '10 12:27am UTC

Personily im Catholic but i don't belive all the catholic stuff i belive in jesus and he saved us i don't however belive that when the priest prays the wine and bread becomes blood and flesh i think it's a symbole of it not actually it though i think god and jesus are different im not sure really about the holy spirt i onlt kinda belive in it im prettyu messed up when it comes to religion don't quite know what to belive

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cddm95ace

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Nomad

Posted October 18, '10 12:53am UTC

Well, I went to bed last night, and when I woke up there were about 10 new pages. I just finished reading them all, and it seems to me that this forum has generally gotten off topic. Most of you have had some interesting points. About the Hitler and Stalin thing, they may have been Catholic or Christian, but that doesn't mean they hadn't twisted the beliefs to fit their purpose. They were NOT following what the Bible said. The Bible is a guidebook, non-fiction storybook, and the word of God. I would agree that many of the things talked about in it are metaphors and not literal, but we have to be careful when deciding what is or what isn't.

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MageGrayWolf

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Posted October 18, '10 1:03am UTC

There is a difference between not respecting something and insulting it.

Looks like we were posting at the same time. I agree to an extent, though sometimes insults work.

But you ask people to respect atheism?

When have I asked respect for atheism? I have tried to get people to think critically.

i don't even own a bible our family isn't religious i'm no scholar like you

I think I've said this before to you. You really should read it to better argue it. This is a bit like saying a show you never saw a single episode of sucks.

Personily im Catholic but i don't belive all the catholic stuff i belive in jesus and he saved us i don't however belive that when the priest prays the wine and bread becomes blood and flesh i think it's a symbole of it not actually it though i think god and jesus are different im not sure really about the holy spirt i onlt kinda belive in it im prettyu messed up when it comes to religion don't quite know what to belive

These are called punctuation marks --> .?! Might considering using a few of them.

Isn't even symbolic cannibalism kinda messed up?

On the father son and holy toast...err ghost, The trinity actually isn't in the Bible. it was something people came up with to explain various contradictions of God.

It sounds to me that you are actually following another form of Christianity.

[quote]There is a difference between not respecting something and insulting it.[/quote]\r\n\r\nLooks like we were posting at the same time. I agree to an extent, though sometimes insults work.\r\n\r\n[quote]But you ask people to respect atheism?[/quote]\r\n\r\nWhen have I asked respect for atheism? I have tried to get people to think critically.\r\n\r\n[quote]i don't even own a bible our family isn't religious i'm no scholar like you[/quote]\r\n\r\nI think I've said this before to you. You really should read it to better argue it. This is a bit like saying a show you never saw a single episode of sucks.\r\n\r\n[quote]Personily im Catholic but i don't belive all the catholic stuff i belive in jesus and he saved us i don't however belive that when the priest prays the wine and bread becomes blood and flesh i think it's a symbole of it not actually it though i think god and jesus are different im not sure really about the holy spirt i onlt kinda belive in it im prettyu messed up when it comes to religion don't quite know what to belive[/quote]\r\n\r\nThese are called punctuation marks --> .?! Might considering using a few of them.\r\n\r\nIsn't even symbolic cannibalism kinda messed up?\r\n\r\nOn the father son and holy toast...err ghost, The trinity actually isn't in the Bible. it was something people came up with to explain various contradictions of God.\r\n\r\nIt sounds to me that you are actually following another form of Christianity.

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Hypermnestra

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Nomad

Posted October 18, '10 1:19am UTC

Well, I went to bed last night, and when I woke up there were about 10 new pages.

That happens.

I just finished reading them all, and it seems to me that this forum has generally gotten off topic.

Eh.

About the Hitler and Stalin thing, they may have been Catholic or Christian, but that doesn't mean they hadn't twisted the beliefs to fit their purpose.

Stalin was actually an atheist.
But I never said that their religion had anything to do with their motives for mass murder. That was actually the exact opposite of what I said. I said their religion had nothing to do with it.

They were NOT following what the Bible said.

Well...the Bible does tell you to destroy everyone who worships someone else, to kill everyone who works on the sabbath, to kill homosexuals, that handicapped people would desecrate the altars of God, but...wait...are you sure they weren't obeying the word of the Bible?

The Bible is a guidebook,

This is true. Although some of its messages are dubious.

non-fiction storybook

Right, because whales save people on a regular basis, the devil frequently appears in the form of a snake, and the universe was created in six days. Nothing fictitious about that.

, and the word of God. I would agree that many of the things talked about in it are metaphors and not literal, but we have to be careful when deciding what is or what isn't.

Yes, yes we do.

[quote]Well, I went to bed last night, and when I woke up there were about 10 new pages.[/quote]\r\nThat happens.\r\n[quote]  I just finished reading them all, and it seems to me that this forum has generally gotten off topic. [/quote]\r\nEh.\r\n[quote]About the Hitler and Stalin thing, they may have been Catholic or Christian, but that doesn't mean they hadn't twisted the beliefs to fit their purpose.[/quote]\r\nStalin was actually an atheist.\r\nBut I never said that their religion had anything to do with their motives for mass murder. That was actually the exact opposite of what I said. I said their religion had nothing to do with it.\r\n[quote]  They were NOT following what the Bible said. [/quote]\r\nWell...the Bible does tell you to [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2022:20&version=NIV]destroy everyone who worships someone else[/url], [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2031:14&version=NIV]to kill everyone who works on the sabbath[/url], [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=leviticus%2020:13&version=NIV]to kill homosexuals[/url], [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=leviticus%2021:16-23&version=NIV]that handicapped people would desecrate the altars of God[/url], but...wait...are you [i]sure [/i]they weren't obeying the word of the Bible?\r\n\r\n[quote] The Bible is a guidebook,[/quote]\r\nThis is true. Although some of its messages are dubious.\r\n\r\n[quote] non-fiction storybook[/quote]\r\nRight, because whales save people on a regular basis, the devil frequently appears in the form of a snake, and the universe was created in six days. Nothing fictitious about that. \r\n\r\n[quote], and the word of God.  I would agree that many of the things talked about in it are metaphors and not literal, but we have to be careful when deciding what is or what isn't.[/quote]\r\nYes, yes we do.

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AnaLoGMunKy

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Blacksmith

Posted October 18, '10 1:25am UTC

The Bible is a guidebook

and the word of God. I would agree that many of the things talked about in it are metaphors and not literal, but we have to be careful when deciding what is or what isn't.

where does it stop?

The whole thing is one big metaphor.

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samy

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Nomad

Posted October 18, '10 1:30am UTC

The whole thing is one big metaphor.

Basically, yes.

Personily im Catholic but i don't belive all the catholic stuff i belive in jesus and he saved us i don't however belive that when the priest prays the wine and bread becomes blood and flesh i think it's a symbole of it not actually it though i think god and jesus are different im not sure really about the holy spirt i onlt kinda belive in it im prettyu messed up when it comes to religion don't quite know what to belive

Then you aren't a Catholic.

When have I asked respect for atheism? I have tried to get people to think critically.

I only assumed that in respecting it yourself you would wish others to do so aw well.

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MageGrayWolf

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Posted October 18, '10 1:37am UTC

Have to add this to this thread.

non-fiction storybook

Rib women, talking snake, living inside a giant fish, global flood, healing spit, sure sounds like things that could actually happen huh?

and the word of God.

If that was the case I would say God seriously screwed up getting what he was trying to say across. If God did get his point across perfectly (the only way I would expect from a supposed perfect being) then there wouldn't be thousands of interpretations of it and the events would be far more credible.

I would agree that many of the things talked about in it are metaphors and not literal, but we have to be careful when deciding what is or what isn't.

There is no clear line between the two. The way it sits we could even say God was just a metaphor. Also saying it's not fiction then saying it's just metaphor is contradictory.

Have to add this to this thread.\r\n\r\n[img]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/MageGrayWolf/Godwin.jpg[/img]\r\n\r\n[quote]non-fiction storybook[/quote]\r\n\r\nRib women, talking snake, living inside a giant fish, global flood, healing spit, sure sounds like things that could actually happen huh?\r\n\r\n[quote]and the word of God.[/quote]\r\n\r\nIf that was the case I would say God seriously screwed up getting what he was trying to say across. If God did get his point across perfectly (the only way I would expect from a supposed perfect being) then there wouldn't be thousands of interpretations of it and the events would be far more credible.\r\n\r\n[quote]I would agree that many of the things talked about in it are metaphors and not literal, but we have to be careful when deciding what is or what isn't.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThere is no clear line between the two. The way it sits we could even say God was just a metaphor. Also saying it's not fiction then saying it's just metaphor is contradictory.

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MageGrayWolf

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Farmer

Posted October 18, '10 1:40am UTC

I only assumed that in respecting it yourself you would wish others to do so aw well.

Sure, but I'm not going to expect or demand it.

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samy

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Nomad

Posted October 18, '10 1:43am UTC

Stalin was an atheist as much as Hitler was a Christian; neither represent the views of the majority of their beliefs.

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holt24

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Nomad

Posted October 18, '10 1:44am UTC

No No No Hitler was not a Christian. Saying you are a Christian does not make you a Christian.

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iMogwai

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Peasant

Posted October 18, '10 1:46am UTC

Stalin was an atheist as much as Hitler was a Christian; neither represent the views of the majority of their beliefs.

[quote]No No No Hitler was not a Christian.

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He didn't say Hitler was Christian, he said Stalin wasn't truly an Atheist.

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Hypermnestra

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Nomad

Posted October 18, '10 1:46am UTC

No No No Hitler was not a Christian. Saying you are a Christian does not make you a Christian.

Yes, yes he was a Christian. Well actually, he was raised Catholic if I'm not mistaken?

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holt24

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Nomad

Posted October 18, '10 1:51am UTC

Saying you are a Christian and being a Christian are two seperate things.

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Hypermnestra

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Nomad

Posted October 18, '10 1:53am UTC

Saying you are a Christian and being a Christian are two seperate things.

*ahem*

Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

[quote]Saying you are a Christian and being a Christian are two seperate things.[/quote]\r\n*ahem*\r\n[quote]Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:[/quote]

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