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cddm95ace
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I believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and died on the cross for all our sins and did miracles his whole life.

What do you believe, and why?

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wolf1991
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So, how have plants been able to survive for millions of millions of years?


Did you miss my link?

Theory- A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena


Good job. Now put that in your own words.
wolf1991
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And for an anology: Having God run the universe is like opening an automatic door for someone. It's a nice gesture, but not needed because it works fine on it's own.

Alexander116
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Bahh, your intelligent designer can kiss my arse (That he designed apparently - shoddy workmanship by the way). Tell me - why would a 'erfect being' create creatures with such great physical and mental faults?

No a perfect being would not create us with such faults or for that matter a world with such fault, the reason for them is the fall of man when adam ate the cursed fruit in direct violation of Gods commands.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+3&version=NIV

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"

10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."

11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"

12 The man said, "The woman you put here with meâ"she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."

13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"
The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.

15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring [a] and hers;
he will crush [b] your head,
and you will strike his heel."

16 To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."

17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'
"Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.

18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.

19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."

20 Adam [c] named his wife Eve, [d] because she would become the mother of all the living.

21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side [e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Avorne
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Why then did God tell Eve not to eat from the tree if Adam and Eve hadn't been instilled with a sense of 'wrong-doing' so to speak? You can't expect people to follow orders if they don't know it's wrong not to follow them.

Alexander116
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to wolf1991

2. >.> Mage where is your wall of links? And to adress the oxygen issue, what &quotroof" do you have that it should have run out by now? I have proof that we have an oxygen cycle to renew oxygen.Here

I agree that we have an amazing cycle that repleishes our oxegen but how would that work w/O plants.
Alexander116
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Why then did God tell Eve not to eat from the tree if Adam and Eve hadn't been instilled with a sense of 'wrong-doing' so to speak? You can't expect people to follow orders if they don't know it's wrong not to follow them.

Of coarse the new that if God told them not to do then it was wrong. maybe I did not fully understand your statement, because I am not seeing the point to it.
Avorne
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It was the sin that made Adam and Eve aware of good and evil, so they couldn't know that what they were doing was a good or evil act until they had done it. (Why didn't God want them to know anyway?). Also, There's an extremely dangerous and unprotected tree in &quotaradise", that an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect deity doesn't want touched, but this omnipotent, omniscient, perfect deity also created the beings that would touch the aforementioned tree (he should have already known what would happen). While we're here:
After committing Original Sin Adam and Eve hid from the sight of the Lord. Apparently God canât see everything.

Genesis 3:8
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

Original sin is directly contradicted by the Bible in the book of Ezekiel:

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

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Alexander, will you define a term for me please?

When you say a &quoterfect" being. Please define &quoterfect." I'd like to know whether you are talking about the proper definition or the loose definition.

Alexander116
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It was the sin that made Adam and Eve aware of good and evil, so they couldn't know that what they were doing was a good or evil act until they had done it. (Why didn't God want them to know anyway?). Also, There's an extremely dangerous and unprotected tree in &quotaradise", that an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect deity doesn't want touched, but this omnipotent, omniscient, perfect deity also created the beings that would touch the aforementioned tree (he should have already known what would happen). While we're here:


the reason that God had to put this dangerous tree in the garden was because he wanted his creations to have free will and with out being able to make that choice of whether or not to obey his commands then they would not have had free will they would have been like puppets on a string.
Alexander116
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Genesis 3:8
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

Original sin is directly contradicted by the Bible in the book of Ezekiel:

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.


I do not see the contradiction here please explain it to me.
Avorne
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One of the basic beliefs about Original Sin is that it burdens us all - we must work in our lives and devote ourselves to Jesus and God to cleanse ourselves and make us worthy for Heaven. Some say Jesus sacrifice cleansed us of Original Sin and others say it didn't.

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You know, I've been wrong all along. Jesus is Lord. Lord of this market at least:

http://www.biblen.info/Full/cheeses-af-nazaret.jpg

However I think that, if he were truly lord of everyone, he would know that I'm lactose intolerant and thus would be the lord of something everyone can enjoy. But I digress.

And for everyone that uses the Bible as proof of God: There is just as much proof of your God as there is of any other. A book is not evidence of something, and neither is an appeal to majority.

If you are going to use the Bible as proof of god then I am going to use The Lord of the Rings as proof of Ents. At least there aren't any direct contradictions in Tolkein's work, which makes me more likely to believe that than the Bible, Qu'ran, Vedic Texts, Torah, or any other 'holy' book.

Also, if you want to talk about 'original sin' then God was the original sinner, according to the Bible, because he made evil, he allowed evil into the world, and he knew that the serpent would tempt his creation and that they would fall. So in essence God is telling man that we are sinners because he made us sin. Way to go all loving sky fairy!

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So in essence God is telling man that we are sinners because he made us sin.


Mind telling me where God made anyone sin?

Also, if you want to talk about 'original sin' then God was the original sinner, according to the Bible, because he made evil, he allowed evil into the world, and he knew that the serpent would tempt his creation and that they would fall.


No the Bible never says that God made sin.
Avorne
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See? He 'creates disaster' - I'd say that's a sin. Also, MR is right - God was the first sinner.

holt24
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How is creating distaster sin agian? He is God and often uses such things to test us. It is not sin.

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