Wolf - a mean kid would have lost interest long ago. God is a Sadist, he takes delight in twisting us and hurting us - he enjoys causing pain to those he can hurt.
Question: If God is all knowing what is the point of creating something he knows would be a disappointment?
Like I said as a test.
Now that's just a matter of definition. For you, he's testing. For me, he's tempting. He knows very well how it will end and still does it. Why? Doesn't he trust in his own omniscience? Why does he want to test any of us? He knows who is 'good' and who is 'bad'. Why does he have to carry on his little experiments?
No to tempt is to try to convince someone to sin. God tells them what will happen if they eat the fruit so it is not tempting but testing.
He knows that we will sin but that doesn't mean that we would know that we would sin. This really extends beyond even the garden but if he was to say to Adam and Eve that they would sin but then made it so they wouldn't sin wouldn't that make him a lier.
He told them they would die if they ate the fruit.
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
According to the Bible he lived to be over 900 years old.
Genesis 5:5 (New International Version) Altogether, Adam lived 930 years, and then he died.
You confuse temptation with testing he does not tempt them to sin but tests them to see if they will sin.
Depends on what version of the Bible you go with.
Genesis 22:1 (King James Version) And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
Genesis 22:1 (New International Version) Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, "Abraham!" "Here I am," he replied.
Also... Now what was that about the Bible never changing again?
Temptation: A temptation is an act that looks appealing to an individual.
Test: A procedure for critical evaluation; a means of determining the presence, quality, or truth of something; a trial
See, the temptation IS the test, and the test is useless because God is all-knowing. So he arbitrarily subjects people to things he knows they want but doesn't want them to do/have to determine something he already knows. That sounds a bit deranged to me...
Wolf - a mean kid would have lost interest long ago. God is a Sadist, he takes delight in twisting us and hurting us - he enjoys causing pain to those he can hurt.
Interesting that contrary to what the Bible says about God you would say he enjoys hurting us. Mind backing that up with anything other than your own wishes.
And what is death? And how does a relative newborn, immortal being have any concept of death? Do babies know what death is? Nope. Did God explain? Nope. He simply said "Don't eat the fruit I put there to tempt you." As a parent I find God's treatment of his children immoral and abusive. I certainly don't find such behavior worthy of anything but contempt.
If God made all creatures like they were babies then it would be a very cruel thing to do but the fact is he din't and you can tell by just how complex Adam and Eve talk for one example.
Could you possibly be any more ignorant? What is testing? It IS temptation. That is the test, to see if they could resist the temptation. And, of course, he already knows they won't so why even bother?
But not temptation in the sense that you mean. He did not tmpt them with the sole purpose to see them screw up.
Then if it isn't against his will then evil is part of his will, as is sin, which he created. So he wants there to be evil in the world. Gotcha. Sounds like an all-loving deity worthy of praise to me...
Would you read what I said again? Giving Satan the ability to sin is not going against his will sinning is.
"neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son"
Found it.
Deuteronomy 5:9 (New International Version) You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
Not only does this contradict son dealing with what the father did but also the concept of an all loving perfect God.
In my eyes he tempted them, he did not test them. A testing would require god to not know how they would act and so to find out how they really do. Yet god knows about the feeligns and thrivings of men. Just look at it like that: he puts two humans in a lovely garden. Then he puts a tree with (a) holy fruit(s) in the middle of it (why? Doesn't make sense imo). Then he tells them not to eat it or else he'll be very disappointed without explaining anything. In my eyes, he manipulated them, he did everything to indirectly tempt them to take the fruit just to see how long it would take them to resist the temptation. He is clearly evil...
Then he tells them not to eat it or else he'll be very disappointed without explaining anything. In my eyes, he manipulated them, he did everything to indirectly tempt them to take the fruit just to see how long it would take them to resist the temptation. He is clearly evil...
Like I said he said they would die if they ate it and they obviously undertstood that. and what did he do to indirectly tempt them? Also who said it was just to see how long it would take for them to resist the temptation?
Let me ask you an question, Holt, and be honest with me. What evidence would you need to accept what we are saying? Or would anything convince you? Are you open to the possibility that you are mistaken or are you simply die-hard defending your beliefs regardless of what evidence we show you that contradicts those beliefs?
I don't get it. He knows everything that is going to happen. What's the point of creating it if he knows the end result?
Knowing something will happen is different than actually seeing it take place.
Let me ask you an question, Holt, and be honest with me. What evidence would you need to accept what we are saying? Or would anything convince you? Are you open to the possibility that you are mistaken or are you simply die-hard defending your beliefs regardless of what evidence we show you that contradicts those beliefs?
Any evedince that isn't shown to be wrong can convince me.
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Genesis 5:5 (New International Version) Altogether, Adam lived 930 years, and then he died.
There you go. God lied to Adam. Or the Bible is wrong, either or.
Umm, guys, I think Adam and Eve were supposed to be immortal before eating the fruit or something, and then after eating it they became mortal. I don't think the Bible necessarily means that they would die immediately.
