Ok. I've done some ritual and my original topic probably came off as a bit... zealous. I think I'll explain a couple of things now.
I do worship satan. I ritual, and i have pentagrams all over my house. I do not have a pet goat. They creep the **** out of me.
Satan, to me, does not represent every evil ever enacted, but instead, indulgence and pleasure. Let's take a look at christianity. Not allowed to have intercourse before marriage, no homosexual marriage, rest on the sabbath day, don't eat meat on Fridays, and fast for forty days in the spring.
Satan doesn't believe in limitations, he says that everyone should indulge themselves in their wants and desires. Quite the positive character, no? and remember, we are talking about Satan. Beezlebub. Lucifer. That guy.
So frigging what? They wouldn't have known disobeying was a bad thing and how the hell would they know what death is or that death was a bad thing? It's like putting a loaded hand gun in the middle of the floor with an infant and another kid who will coax the infant into playing with the gun and just saying "don't touch that".
By use of common sense, the snake is satan. You that the snake is its own character because the bible doesn't say it is, but as you certainly know, the bible isn't taken literally. The snake HAS to be satan. Who else could it be? Certainly not a random talking snake with the intent to hurt God. Also, Jesus didn't just die so you could forgiven, he died to wash away all sin with acceptance and faith in him. Same thing, you say? No. I can forgive you for killing my mom, but you're still going jail for it. Jesus died so you don't have to go to jail.
Repeating the same thing over again doesn't make you anymore right. The snake is not Satan! It doesn't have to be Satan, it isn't at all referenced as satan. And if it isn't meant for to be taken literally then YES there could be a random talking snake. It's a METAPHOR!
How did they not know disobeying was a bad thing? They weren't imbeciles; they knew who God was, his power, and that he had created everything. We're not talking about little children, we're talking about a fully grown man who had the first ever (And very intimate) relationship with God.
why Did God wait 4000 years before forgiving everyone for this sin? Also why would God require a human sacrifice of himself to himself to just say "I forgive you"? Seems to me like a pretty sick way of saying your forgiven.
Actually if you read through the Old Testament, the law that God gives to Moses (if I recall) stats that he'll forgive their sins through animal sacrifice, but only of spotless, unblemished lambs. So, in their culture, Jesus, who never sinned, was perfectly spotless and unblemished, which was a final perfect sacrifice, and opened the door for people to approach God directly for forgiveness instead of having to drag animals to church every week. It began a new "covenant" with God, replacing the covenant that God started with Moses.
They wouldn't have known disobeying was a bad thing and how the hell would they know what death is or that death was a bad thing?
They were told they would die. I don't recall there's any mention of how much time passed between when they were created, told not to eat of that fruit, and when they actually ate it and were separated from God, so I can only assume that some period of time lapsed where they watched animals around them die, and understood what death meant.
So frigging what? They wouldn't have known disobeying was a bad thing and how the hell would they know what death is or that death was a bad thing?
Genisis 3:1-3
1 Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the animals that the LORD God had made. The serpent asked the woman, "Did God really tell you not to eat from any of the trees in the garden?"
2 The woman answered the serpent: "We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden;
3 it is only about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden that God said, 'You shall not eat it or even touch it, lest you die.'"
They knew they were not supposed to eat from that tree. The serpent would have no need to tempt Eve if she didn't know the she wasn't supposed to eat from the tree.
Actually if you read through the Old Testament, the law that God gives to Moses (if I recall) stats that he'll forgive their sins through animal sacrifice, but only of spotless, unblemished lambs. So, in their culture, Jesus, who never sinned, was perfectly spotless and unblemished, which was a final perfect sacrifice, and opened the door for people to approach God directly for forgiveness instead of having to drag animals to church every week. It began a new "covenant" with God, replacing the covenant that God started with Moses.
the question still stands, why wait 4000 years for this "erfect sacrifice". If all this started with Mose, why even wait that long? If anything, just having a human sacrifice to add to a pile of animal sacrifices just makes it all that much worse. This also still doesn't cover why God couldn't have simply said "I forgive you" and opened up this direct link then.
They were told they would die. I don't recall there's any mention of how much time passed between when they were created, told not to eat of that fruit, and when they actually ate it and were separated from God, so I can only assume that some period of time lapsed where they watched animals around them die, and understood what death meant.
Even if they had seen other creatures die it's unlikely they would have made the connection with themselves. Yet again they wouldn't have known that dying is a bad thing, even if they had seen it happen in other creatures.
They knew they were not supposed to eat from that tree. The serpent would have no need to tempt Eve if she didn't know the she wasn't supposed to eat from the tree.
She knew that God said not to, but she wouldn't have know that disobeying that was wrong since she didn't have knowledge of such things.
"The LORD God gave man this order: "You are free to eat from any of the trees of the garden except the tree of knowledge of good and bad. From that tree you shall not eat; the moment you eat from it you are surely doomed to die."
She knew she would surely be doomed to die if she ate the fruit.
"The LORD God gave man this order: "You are free to eat from any of the trees of the garden except the tree of knowledge of good and bad. From that tree you shall not eat; the moment you eat from it you are surely doomed to die."
She knew she would surely be doomed to die if she ate the fruit
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But she didn't know what "dieing" was. Sure, you can see a non human animal lay down and die, but that does not mean you know what deign is. If you didn't know any better, you may even think they were just sleeping.
And as well, they didn't know right from wrong. Until they ate the apple, which they didn't know was wrong since they had to eat the apple to know right from wrong, right?
She knew she would surely be doomed to die if she ate the fruit.
Yes, you pointed that out already that still doesn't mean much since she didn't have the knowledge to know that it was a bad thing. Since she lacked the knowledge we use to determine right and wrong then it wouldn't matter what God said would happen. Just like how you wouldn't expect an infant to understand what he is doing is wrong even if you told them not to do it and what would happen if they did. You keep the infant and the thing they can get in trouble with separate. You don't put it in a place where you know the infant will get into it and have someone near by going "here you go play with this".
1 Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the animals that the LORD God had made. The serpent asked the woman, "Did God really tell you not to eat from any of the trees in the garden?"
2 The woman answered the serpent: "We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden;
3 it is only about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden that God said, 'You shall not eat it or even touch it, lest you die.'"
If she didn't know it was bad for her to eat why is the serpent bothering to tempt her and not just saying hey eat this? If she didn't know it was bad she could have eaten it on her own. If she didn't know it was bad she wouldn't have bothered answering the serpent with "...it is only about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden that God said, 'You shall not eat it or even touch it, lest you die.'""
