Ok. I've done some ritual and my original topic probably came off as a bit... zealous. I think I'll explain a couple of things now.
I do worship satan. I ritual, and i have pentagrams all over my house. I do not have a pet goat. They creep the **** out of me.
Satan, to me, does not represent every evil ever enacted, but instead, indulgence and pleasure. Let's take a look at christianity. Not allowed to have intercourse before marriage, no homosexual marriage, rest on the sabbath day, don't eat meat on Fridays, and fast for forty days in the spring.
Satan doesn't believe in limitations, he says that everyone should indulge themselves in their wants and desires. Quite the positive character, no? and remember, we are talking about Satan. Beezlebub. Lucifer. That guy.
If she didn't know it was bad for her to eat why is the serpent bothering to tempt her and not just saying hey eat this? If she didn't know it was bad she could have eaten it on her own. If she didn't know it was bad she wouldn't have bothered answering the serpent with "...it is only about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden that God said, 'You shall not eat it or even touch it, lest you die.'""
The snake just said "Hey eat this fruit, that god ******* lied to you. You will live..." and what do you know, they lived... Just got kicked out...
If she didn't know it was bad for her to eat why is the serpent bothering to tempt her and not just saying hey eat this?
That's basically what the snake did.
If she didn't know it was bad she could have eaten it on her own.
Yep.
If she didn't know it was bad she wouldn't have bothered answering the serpent with "...it is only about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden that God said, 'You shall not eat it or even touch it, lest you die.'""
She knew God said not to and just repeating what was said, but she wouldn't have known it was bad to since the fruit bestowed that knowledge on her.
If knowledge of good and evil was granted by eating the fruit how could she have had knowledge of good and evil thus knowing right from wrong before eating it?
Well, it's possible she didn't know it was wrong, but she knew not to do it and she knew there was a punishment and that it would be death.
The snake just said "Hey eat this fruit, that god ******* lied to you. You will live..." and what do you know, they lived... Just got kicked out...
They were kicked out and eventually would die. Had they not eaten the fruit they would have lived forever and never have gone to Hell or have had to worry about it. Death referring to dieing, going to Hell, and physical death.
They were kicked out and eventually would die. Had they not eaten the fruit they would have lived forever and never have gone to Hell or have had to worry about it. Death referring to dieing, going to Hell, and physical death.
Well, it's possible she didn't know it was wrong, but she knew not to do it and she knew there was a punishment and that it would be death.
Which means NOTHING without knowing any of it was a bad thing to have happen.
They were kicked out and eventually would die. Had they not eaten the fruit they would have lived forever and never have gone to Hell or have had to worry about it. Death referring to dieing, going to Hell, and physical death.
Actually they could have still lived forever since there was another tree there that granted eternal life, but God got worried that they would also eat from that tree and be like...them? So the real reason for being kicked out was to prevent them from doing it twice. Which if this was such a bad thing was something he should have defused before it started.
Sorry but no matter how you cut this, this story just makes God look like an irresponsible idiot.
Yeah do you just disobey your Mom on the whim of a stranger. You shuldn't. And that's part of the punishment, just Disobey God cause of some serpent.
To some one that was to trusting, some one who had never been lied to, and some one who didn't know why it was wrong. Are you saying the mom should then kill and torture her kid?
Humans die right?
Sure. But that isn't a speriutal death, is it? According to the BS (Bible Scripture)they could have lived forever. What is your point?
Yeah do you just disobey your Mom on the whim of a stranger. You shuldn't. And that's part of the punishment, just Disobey God cause of some serpent.
I wouldn't expect a kid who hasn't yet learned that listening to strangers and disobeying their parents was a bad thing to understand. You keep kids at that stage of development away from such dangers until they gain such knowledge to understand the punishment. But with this story gaining such knowledge in the first place was the punishable act. Seriously this is all one big catch 22.
According to the BS (Bible Scripture)they could have lived forever. What is your point?
I'm not trying to insult you. But you did abbreviate the scripture BS, why so?
Genisis 3:21-24
21 For the man and his wife the LORD God made leather garments, with which he clothed them.
22 Then the LORD God said: "See! The man has become like one of us, knowing what is good and what is bad! Therefore, he must not be allowed to put out his hand to take fruit from the tree of life also, and thus eat of it and live forever."
23 The LORD God therefore banished him from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from which he had been taken.
24 When he expelled the man, he settled him east of the garden of Eden; and he stationed the cherubim and the fiery revolving sword, to guard the way to the tree of life.
Genesis 2:16-17
"The LORD God gave man this order: "You are free to eat from any of the trees of the garden except the tree of knowledge of good and bad. From that tree you shall not eat; the moment you eat from it you are surely doomed to die."
God didn't kill them, they just were now surely doomed to die. They became subject to spiritual and physical death. He didn't say he would kill them for it, he just stated they would be doomed to die. They were doomed now to sin because they became aware of it and that's the spiritual death.
God even made them leather garments and stationed them east of the garden. So probably gave them some provisions.
If the Mom caught her kid smoking wouldn't some punishment be in order?
God didn't kill them, they just were now surely doomed to die.
Which could have been prevented by allowing them to eat from the other tree, but God couldn't have lowly humans matching him.
If the Mom caught her kid smoking wouldn't some punishment be in order?
If the mother left her pack of smokes in reach of a kid who didn't know any better beyond just being told no to and a baby sitter who would encourage the kid to smoke, then the mother has no one to blame but herself.
If you saw an infant reaching for a lit cigarette would you not move the kid away or move the cigarette out of reach, or would you just sit there and say "no don't touch that you'll hurt yourself".
Also repeatedly quoting the same passages isn't helping your case any we have already read them and they only contribute to why we think the Bible is BS (and I don't mean Bible Scripture).
Which could have been prevented by allowing them to eat from the other tree, but God couldn't have lowly humans matching him.
If the mother left her pack of smokes in reach of a kid who didn't know any better beyond just being told no to and a baby sitter who would encourage the kid to smoke, then the mother has no one to blame but herself.
If you saw an infant reaching for a lit cigarette would you not move the kid away or move the cigarette out of reach, or would you just sit there and say "no don't touch that you'll hurt yourself".
These weren't kids, they were full adults and the just finished naming the birds and the rivers and could speak with God. I would assume they had more intelligence than a toddler.
There had to be some sort of test in order to know if the loved God or not. They didn't pass the test. If your forced to love something then how do you know it's true love or if it was just by force? (How are you a voluntary if the work is mandatory?)
Also repeatedly quoting the same passages isn't helping your case any we have already read them and they only contribute to why we think the Bible is BS (and I don't mean Bible Scripture).
Well, the answer to half the questions that came up were in those two passages. Why not re quote them. Also when I didn't quote scripture I got this response
May I ask were it said that?
So you want to quote and to not quote scripture at the same time.
I'm not trying to insult you. But you did abbreviate the scripture BS, why so?
Because it fits on so many levels.
God didn't kill them, they just were now surely doomed to die. They became subject to spiritual and physical death. He didn't say he would kill them for it, he just stated they would be doomed to die. They were doomed now to sin because they became aware of it and that's the spiritual death.
So it was a sin to take the apple...Right? So they didn't know about it... Making it Yahweh's fault.
God even made them leather garments and stationed them east of the garden. So probably gave them some provisions.
I caught you with a cigarette. So I am kicking you out of the house, you naughty four year old! You will never be aloud back in, and I will go to your son's house and kick them out, as well as every person who is ever related to you! But don't worry, here is a box of fruit, good luck...
You can see that the punishment is way to harsh, correct?
If the Mom caught her kid smoking wouldn't some punishment be in order?
A kid that didn't know any better? No. Maybe a slap on the wrists at the most, but an innocent kid? Really punish them and everyone who is ever related to them for smoking one cigarette when they did not know any better?
These weren't kids, they were full adults and the just finished naming the birds and the rivers and could speak with God. I would assume they had more intelligence than a toddler.
They didn't know right from wrong, it doesn't matter how much they knew. They were, essentially, children until they ate the apple.
There had to be some sort of test in order to know if the loved God or not. They didn't pass the test. If your forced to love something then how do you know it's true love or if it was just by force? (How are you a voluntary if the work is mandatory?)
He knew what the answer to the test would be, since he is omniscient, and it is not much of a choice when you look at it. First, they didn't know it was wrong. Second, "Put the money in the bag, or I will shoot you! But hey, its your free will, feel free to not give me the money..." isn't a choice.
So you want to quote and to not quote scripture at the same time.
I searched over and over and found nothing with the words "Spiritual death" in that scripture, or any were else in the BS.
