Who created God? I had asked 8 years ago to my first primary school's religious education teacher. The response I got was as I recall, a nothing answer that turned into a change of topic. If 'god' exists, then what created it? (I'm not posting my opinion in the OP as that's never a good way to start open debate).
sorry for the double post, I only looked at the first page first.
delossantosj - if you are a christian, that means completely standing up for God, and putting all our faith in him. If you believe the Bible, then you do know. It is true that there are some unsolved mysteries, but the whole thing isn't unsolved. You don't want a shadow of doubt, you want to wholeheartedly trust in God.
314d1 created God, and when he went around around being 'all powerful', 314d1 was disappointed and developed a deep hatred for him. You just THINK he's wasting his life, but the child has a reason it turns out
delossantosj - if you are a christian, that means completely standing up for God, and putting all our faith in him. If you believe the Bible, then you do know. It is true that there are some unsolved mysteries, but the whole thing isn't unsolved. You don't want a shadow of doubt, you want to wholeheartedly trust in God.
All that I gathered from that was 'DO NOT QUESTION THE HOLY BOOK - FOLLOW IT BLINDLY' and 'DO NOT QUESTION ANY OF YOUR BELIEFS - FOLLOW GOD BLINDLY'.
Therefore, Jesus = God. You cannot create yourself.
However Mary did infact give birth to Jesus and that was at least 20 years after she was born. God made Jesus from nothing in that statement. Unless there is some funky weird stuff going on.
if you think of it in the sense of "oof" here's jesus now you're pregnant.... its not as difficult to manage mentally if you think that God, granted he exists, took part of his essence or all of his essence and just implanted it into her.... I can't explain much more after that... alls i can say is i don't knows
God has to have a creator. It's impossible for something to just simply exist. By the laws of science and physics and just simple logic, something cannot come of nothing.
Supposedly God created the universe, so before that there was nothing except for God, right?
So then how did God come to be there was nothing before his existence - and don't tell me he has existed forever, because that starts another argument entirely regarding whether or not time had a beginning and will have an end or is infinite and has existed forever, spawning multiple other arguments. So God has not existed forever.
Which takes us to: Who created God? Something must have, because before God, the universe, time, solar systems, galaxies, it wasn't there. It was just nothing, according to Christian beliefs, because if God created it all, then it wasn't there before God.
The only viable answer you can take from this question is simply that no-one created God, because he does not exist.
All humans will never understand the complexity of the question. All we could assume is the God is Forever and Ever. If he had a creator, he would not be god because there would be a higher power to the higher power. Mary gave birth to Jesus but she did not create him, The Angel Gabrielle blessed Mary with Jesus because of her purity.
Belief does not equate to knowledge. It you believe the Bible then you only think it's right, you don't know it though.
if you think of it in the sense of "oof" here's jesus now you're pregnant.... its not as difficult to manage mentally if you think that God, granted he exists, took part of his essence or all of his essence and just implanted it into her.... I can't explain much more after that... alls i can say is i don't knows
Who created God? Something must have, because before God, the universe, time, solar systems, galaxies, it wasn't there. It was just nothing, according to Christian beliefs, because if God created it all, then it wasn't there before God.
Yes it is what the Christian belief asserts but it's a fallacy. First, part this term before can only be used in the loosest of senses, since time and space are essentially one in the same you technically can't have a before the universe.
Second, there wasn't nothing it started with a according to science singularity, which was basically everything and expanded. This singularity can avoid the problems of before and after since it operated on the principles of quantum physics which doesn't necessitate such things.
Third, now you might say "well this could explain how God could always exist" and yes it can. However why add that extra step in the process when it isn't needed?
Fourth, If we are to go the Christian route and add God and claim that complexity has to come from complexity then we do end up running into this infinite regression of a creator needing a creator needing a creator... etc. Which highly lights how adding God only muddies things up rather then being a simplistic answer.
This reminds me of an argument I had with a creationist once. He asserted that evolution was incorrect and that no such process happened at all (Even after I showed him parts of the fossil record and an article on common descent). He then made the argument that evolution was wrong because everything had to have a creator (I pointed out that the argument he'd just made was fallacious in itself because the process of evolution was different to the theory of abiogenesis). I pointed out to him that, by that logic, God had a creator - this led to the memorable quote (caps-lock included) "THERE IS NO LOGIC WHEN IT COMES TO GOD - HE IS ABOVE THE LOGIC OF MAN".
To answer the question, God, if He exists, is perfect. Perfect things cannot be created by imperfect things, we suppose. But anything that is perfect is God. You can also assume that existence is a quality of a perfect being and conclude that if God is possible, it must exist, and therefore must always have existed.
To answer the question, God, if He exists, is perfect. Perfect things cannot be created by imperfect things, we suppose. But anything that is perfect is God. You can also assume that existence is a quality of a perfect being and conclude that if God is possible, it must exist, and therefore must always have existed.
What about the possibility of another perfect being? I mean if you stop thinking too lineary, you will have to admit that there are probably more than one way of being perfect, because there isn't just black and white, there are many different colours and shades, each one of them bearing possibility of perfection (metaphors anyone?). So one perfect being could have created another. Or there could even be many of them and the one you pray to is only one of them?
..Of course if you think that there is exactly and only one way of being perfect, this won't work, but I guess it's worth a think.
So one perfect being could have created another. Or there could even be many of them and the one you pray to is only one of them?
True even if there was evidence of everything being created there could still be multiple creators. Interesting note there is evidence that early Christianity was polytheistic with Yahweh just being put in charge of creating the Earth and of a certain group of people on it.
