Who created God? I had asked 8 years ago to my first primary school's religious education teacher. The response I got was as I recall, a nothing answer that turned into a change of topic. If 'god' exists, then what created it? (I'm not posting my opinion in the OP as that's never a good way to start open debate).
Yes it is what the Christian belief asserts but it's a fallacy. First, part this term before can only be used in the loosest of senses, since time and space are essentially one in the same you technically can't have a before the universe.
If there is no "before the universe" then how did space/time, being essentially the same thing, come to be? God, am I correct? So if time/space didn't exist before God created it (let's say he exists and he did for the sake of argument) then nothing existed before God created it, correct? Which leads us to, how did God come to be if nothing existed before he was created? God cannot come from nothing.
Second, there wasn't nothing it started with a according to science singularity, which was basically everything and expanded. This singularity can avoid the problems of before and after since it operated on the principles of quantum physics which doesn't necessitate such things.
**** quantum physics not necessitating "Such things". If nothing existed then where did everything come form? There wasn't always something there. That is assuming time/space are infinite and not finite, and do not have a start/end point. Which is another arguement entirely.
To answer the question, God, if He exists, is perfect.
Stop right there. Define perfect. Prove God is perfect.
... do not think of the universe as a GIVEN plane with given limitations, the reason it is called the UNIverse is because it is the plane which upon EVERYthing exists, therein it is the start and finish and there is nothing beyond it including a god... using god to explain everything is STUPID it is like saying 2+2=X which CAN be true but only with conditions. religion is ignorance; wat U DO NOT KNOW, so using god to explain things is like using a variable LITTERALLY wat u do NOT know.
in the end even at my age i believe that ive acquired enough knowledge to see and explain the "TRUTH" but at the end of the day im not on a mission to spread the word of logic or my "deity" science, and even if i was experience tells me there is NO point in reasoning with a zealot so i wont waste my time. Once again at the end of the day a zealot will accept being ignorant, not knowing, not understanding, and being spoon fed some "explaination" from their mother and a millenias old book...
**** quantum physics not necessitating "Such things". If nothing existed then where did everything come form? There wasn't always something there. That is assuming time/space are infinite and not finite, and do not have a start/end point. Which is another arguement entirely.
I see what you're saying and I agree. But what if, and I stress if, the beginning is in a loop? A constant expansion and compression of the universe? I'm sure some professionals are thinking the same thing and are working on a theory for it, but for now, I should just call this a hypothesis. If it is proven that the universe is constantly expanding and compressing at the right points in time, then it should eliminate the doubts of when things "appeared" and when the legacy of the universe should "end". When the universe is compressed so much, it gives out, and expands AMAZINGLY fast. When the universe has expanded so much, it collapses and starts to compress again. With this endless loop, there really is no "beginning".
**** quantum physics not necessitating "Such things". If nothing existed then where did everything come form? There wasn't always something there. That is assuming time/space are infinite and not finite, and do not have a start/end point. Which is another arguement entirely.
As stated there wasn't nothing, there was a singularity. This was basically all matter/energy. Space and as such time would not have existed in this state coming into existence after the expansion. So what I'm really saying is matter/energy might not have a start/end point, which would seem to be consistent with observations.
If it is proven that the universe is constantly expanding and compressing at the right points in time, then it should eliminate the doubts of when things "appeared" and when the legacy of the universe should "end". When the universe is compressed so much, it gives out, and expands AMAZINGLY fast. When the universe has expanded so much, it collapses and starts to compress again. With this endless loop, there really is no "beginning".
Current models of the universe indicate this is not the case. We are more likely facing heat death in a big freeze.
If there is no "before the universe" then how did space/time, being essentially the same thing, come to be? God, am I correct?
AS I said quantum physics doesn't require a before. Singularities are one of the few macroscopic things that operate under the laws of quantum physics. So the moment of the Big Bang would have kick started physics as we know and exist.
So if time/space didn't exist before God created it (let's say he exists and he did for the sake of argument) then nothing existed before God created it, correct? Which leads us to, how did God come to be if nothing existed before he was created? God cannot come from nothing.
Yes but why should we insert God into the equation when we can work the equation just fine and less messily without him?
freakenstein is actually correct that theory is indeed one supported by science... a philosophy that ive taken from religion that i have learned to be true is that everything is connected; a circle. which everything flows upon. THAT is a universal truth.
freakenstein is actually correct that theory is indeed one supported by science..
Yes it was proposed possibility, however further study shows this to not be the most likely outcome. We have figured with a 2% margin of error that the universe is flat. A flat universe expands forever. Under such conditions thew most likely fate is heat death.
a philosophy that ive taken from religion that i have learned to be true is that everything is connected; a circle. which everything flows upon. THAT is a universal truth.
So me heating up a soft pretzel has a connection to the holocaust? Going blind really does have a connection to masturbation?
That's a bad thing, you know. What about the religions or religious people who are fanatic to it? You can barely reason with them, let alone let a "live and let live" nature go on.
a philosophy that ive taken from religion that i have learned to be true is that everything is connected; a circle. which everything flows upon. THAT is a universal truth.
That's not such a great thing from religion, considering I learnt it from Fable One many years ago when I was but a child. I simply thought about everything I done and made sure bad consequences were made. True story.
If Jesus wanted to, couldn't he create something from nothing? Maybe Jesus created God. Ah, that is the flaw. Lets look at what God is. God is one entity, with one mind, that controls 3 different forms(God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit) simultaneously. Therefore, Jesus = God. You cannot create yourself.
But what if you CAN create yourself? I think that all you do is think of the largest number you can then keep addiang one to it, when you've come to the biggest number you can, that is when god was created and you will also know what created god.
