To start out the post with something vague to allow for more wide away, were to the souls of none human animals go, if they were to exist? Heaven and hell are apparently only for humans do the the "original sin", so are animals who did not participate doomed to the same fate?
If animals do not have souls, then were does there personality come from? Going back to the example of dogs, some are energetic, some are calm, and actually pretty much as different as humans. This would of course, make since that there is no such thing as souls, but not if there is.
Then, if beasts go straight to paradise, then why does the god not extend the same kindness to humans?
if we are the only ones who can acknowledge him and he does in fact exist then I would suggest that we are the only ones that can learn his "right" and "wrong" and therefore be the only ones he would subject to a judgement
Why would that be? Why not grant every animal this ability, if it such a gift? There have been records of animals, mainly primates, doing ritual like things. Chimpanzees have been observed to war other groups of Chimpanzees, which we could consider "wrong", though they are capable of doing things we consider "right" in there community. So how could they do that without the knowledge of "right" and "wrong"?
Granted... if we are the only ones who can acknowledge him and he does in fact exist then I would suggest that we are the only ones that can learn his "right" and "wrong" and therefore be the only ones he would subject to a judgement
Right and wrong are subjective. The only thing we having to determine God's idea of right and wrong would be the Bible. This text however is unreliable. That means he is judging us on standards we aren't even sure we are doing right.
i dunno... maybe something similar to "these inspired texts are my gift to you"... "you have free will"..."do with them what you will" and the humans of yesteryear took them, ran with them, and skewed them.
Why would God even bother then? This would be robbing others of there ability to follow such works correctly. Also wouldn't laying down any sort of command or punishment for not following said commands be imposing on free will?
....and if my memory serves correct from what i've read and been told over the years... there was once no "bible", just scrolls people read from.
That was the Bible. What was thought of as a book was just a pile of scrolls.
What i learned in CCD was that dogs don't have souls and they just die. Actualy i learned that only WE have souls for that matter.
This then get's to the second point of why than do we observe these animals displaying qualities often associated with a quality of having a soul?
Not to be harsh, but quite frankly I think that debating this type of thing is rather..stupid. It doesn't really matter. No one knows and no one will ever know until they die. Perhaps ALL living things that pass on go to the same place. Why wouldn't dogs go where humans go, especially if we treat animals as companions?
I guess because (speaking in a way i think a preist will think) god made the animals as tools for our survival and our leasier(can't spell).
Leisure is how you spell it, according to my spell check. Though you don't seem to be arguing what you yourself believe, why would that stop them from having a soul?
Not to be harsh, but quite frankly I think that debating this type of thing is rather..stupid
Then don't participate. Simple as that.
It doesn't really matter. No one knows and no one will ever know until they die.
If any religion is correct, then it DOES matter. 90% of religions seem to send you to a different place depending on how you lived your life, what you believed in, or how much the gods favored you.
Why wouldn't dogs go where humans go, especially if we treat animals as companions?
Because according to many Christians, like one of the guy's on the forums priest, animals don't have souls. Ask them. I don't believe in any of this myself...
Because according to many Christians, like one of the guy's on the forums priest, animals don't have souls. Ask them. I don't believe in any of this myself...
I've been Catholic my entire life and not once have I heard anything like this. Been going to a Catholic school my entire life as well and never have they told us anything ridiculous like that.
Leisure is how you spell it, according to my spell check. Though you don't seem to be arguing what you yourself believe, why would that stop them from having a soul?
I dunno what i belive so i use a priests point of veiw for argument. (agian as a preist) Because they weren't as important. Would you give a hammer a soul? Probably not cause i bet it would be bored (side effects of having a soul)
If any religion is correct, then it DOES matter. 90% of religions seem to send you to a different place depending on how you lived your life, what you believed in, or how much the gods favored you.
It really doesn't matter where dogs go. I could care less quite frankly and could care less of how selfish that sounded. It's simple. If you live a good live you'll go to heaven. Hell, even if you live a bad life, you still have a STRONG chance. But if I die and go to heaven and see Hitler, that will be weird to the nth degree.
I dunno what i belive so i use a priests point of veiw for argument. (agian as a preist) Because they weren't as important. Would you give a hammer a soul? Probably not cause i bet it would be bored (side effects of having a soul)
Then why do animals have these "side effects"? Animals can get board. Try secretly observing your dog long enough, and it will do something to shake off the boredom...
If you live a good live you'll go to heaven. Hell, even if you live a bad life, you still have a STRONG chance. But if I die and go to heaven and see Hitler, that will be weird to the nth degree.
According to the majority of Christians I have met, if you simply believe in Jesus's death you get in to heaven, no matter how good or how bad you were. So by your own religion's dogma, Hitler, a strong Christian, would be aloud into heaven.
Then why do animals have these "side effects"? Animals can get board. Try secretly observing your dog long enough, and it will do something to shake off the boredom...
*throws up bible* IT'S A MIRACLE! jk No I nvr once seen a bored animal. Maybe because i always play wit em or they are always engaged by something, but i nvr once seen it happen.
