I have been sick since yesterday, stuck in bed all day yesterday, and have only managed to reach my computer do to the help of modern medicine. So now it is a proper time for the "Whence Commith Evil?" thread.
So were does "evil" come from? And I am not speaking for human evil, I am speaking for natural disasters, sickness, and other things that are "evil" but not caused by humans. Why would your god create that? And if it wasn't your god who created it, who was it? And why doesn't your god simply stop it? And if your god is for some reason unable to stop disease, then why can modern medicine stop what your god can't? And if your god causes it, then why can modern medicine stop it? Is medicine more powerful than your god?
So God's omnipotence was so powerful that he had to burn someone alive instead of kindly putting them to sleep? If he *meant* for that fire to happen, then he *meant* to burn someone alive!
Yea can say that but what else is he to do? he's too far away to make it just dissapear and if he dose then there would be law sutes to do. (can't spell much) So the only way he could do it was by having a fire. You could use a plane or something but that would be too much mess. Plus those people who died gt a nice stay in heaven.
but that can't be considered "ersonal gain",
why do you say it can't? i just explained how it was a personal gain since he climbed the ranks of the government. [/quote]Then we can say if you're doing a good act for personal gain, that can be considered corruption[quote] Exactly my point. you put someone aay while gaining popularity and it's corruption, but from someone elses point of veiw maybe it isn't corruption. So then you can say that this thread and what is evil and what isn't can be considered all point of veiw.
god makes us relize there could have been sin. I think the only reason we haven't sinned before is because it was never an option to do it.if there was an option for misery we would gladly take the option to try it and see where it all goes from there.
We would...want to be miserable? I don't know where you're going with this, but we are animals, through and through. I see misery, I think "ain", "discomfort", and "will not like". So if the human race wanted to have the option for misery and gladly took it, I would have to declare us naturally masochistic! :O
god makes us relize there could have been sin.
He gave us sin. Without him, utopia. Peace. Eternal happiness. Yin, but no Yang. He's the one who made the dang tree--come on God, leave us alone, we are only animals...>_>
Yea can say that but what else is he to do? he's too far away to make it just dissapear and if he dose then there would be law sutes to do. (can't spell much) So the only way he could do it was by having a fire. You could use a plane or something but that would be too much mess. Plus those people who died gt a nice stay in heaven.
I take it you believe God has limits and is not an omnipotent omnipresent being then?
Yea can say that but what else is he to do? he's too far away to make it just dissapear and if he dose then there would be law sutes to do. (can't spell much) So the only way he could do it was by having a fire. You could use a plane or something but that would be too much mess.
So it HAD to be a fire, instead of dieing in their sleep, dieing while riding the saddle, or dieing while being thoroughly happy? He is not omnipotent then.
Plus those people who died gt a nice stay in heaven.
Mat didn't.
why do you say it can't? i just explained how it was a personal gain since he climbed the ranks of the government.
Last time I checked, isolating one person (a good act) to protect the community (also a good act) does not magically make you a higher official. An officer takes years of experience to rise higher. Then there are areas where you must RUN for sheriff, the higher position.
That's odd, I never heard anyone use neutral before. Is this based on agnostic or atheistic background?
nah, it's just how i am. i don't concern myself with any religion or belief. essentially, no gods, no afterlife belief, no heaven/hell/nirvana, i just live my life without religion.
I think the only reason we haven't sinned before is because it was never an option to do it
i'm not christian, but, even if i was, why (if i had the choice) would i, or anyone for that matter, want to have or do sin?
and btw, this thread seems to digress from the original question
Just a tiny bit. I think we established the limits of god's will, the supposed taking of humans' lives declaring it god's will being evil, and the fact that he made the tree of wisdom meaning he created sin. Whence commeth Evil? The very guy who's supposed to be looking after us and combating Satan, the "true" evil guy.
We would...want to be miserable? I don't know where you're going with this, but we are animals, through and through. I see misery, I think "ain", "discomfort", and "will not like". So if the human race wanted to have the option for misery and gladly took it, I would have to declare us naturally masochistic! :O
I didn't say we WANT it just that if it is a possibility then we will find it sooner or later and then it will no longer be "utopia"
In the most natural, historic, and scientific way to explain, humans have always "sinned". We are free animals with bodies that don't make it impossible to do evil acts. It took us quite a while, however, to develop a society with a system of laws to punish those that did the acts deemed evil. In religion, God created sin but Satan is evil.....can you explain this please? And the other posts above questioning God's omnipotence and reasoning for wanting to take peoples' lives via cruel ends?
if god is there then yes i think he would be everywhere and he would be a god but sometimes he has to make sacrifices i guess i'm sayin
He doesn't *have* to make sacrifices though, albeit in such manners. As was said, he is god. he can make it so people disappear from life, with no pain, and appear in his almighty hand. Why doesn't he do this?
In religion, God created sin but Satan is evil....
I dunno bout that one... You could say that the devil created sin since he lured em into biting the apple. then.... if you wanted to direct this in another direction you could say that the DEVIL burned the appartment down, that the DEVL killed ur friend
Then why did God create the fruit that holds sin? He created sin, not Satan. You *can* turn it around to say Satan does the harmful acts of killing people, but why do they, the people, say it was god's will? Did God tell Satan to kill them, albeit in such a way? Why can't he do it himself? He's god, the omnipotent. If he is so perfect, he can kill them without so much as a pinprick. Another question. Why are you dodging these questions?
He doesn't *have* to make sacrifices though, albeit in such manners. As was said, he is god. he can make it so people disappear from life, with no pain, and appear in his almighty hand. Why doesn't he do this?
maybe because he's saving up his godly mana for judgment day. Cause raising the dead agian must take like more than a million mana points. Plus that would make everyone be sure he existed instead of having belivers he would only have knowers.
And the other posts above questioning God's omnipotence and reasoning for wanting to take peoples' lives via cruel ends?
oh maybe (goin a bit too far into da game world) he has ghost mode but the char is still in heaven so that's why he can't make it dissapear like when ur shooting a bullet, it only goes a certain distance be4 it falls.
