He who dreams of drinking wine may weep when morning comes; he who dreams of weeping may in the morning go off to hunt. While he is dreaming he does not know it is a dream, and in his dream he may even try to interpret a dream. Only after he wakes does he know it was a dream. And someday there will be a great awakening when we know that this is all a great dream. Yet the stupid believe they are awake, busily and brightly assuming they understand things, calling this man ruler, that one herdsman â' how dense! Confucius and you are both dreaming! And when I say you are dreaming, I am dreaming, too. Words like these will be labeled the Supreme Swindle. Yet, after ten thousand generations, a great sage may appear who will know their meaning, and it will still be as though he appeared with astonishing speed.
There is no logic in dreams: I can just as easily lift off the ground and fly, then the next moment fall through the ground to the center of the earth. If we are dreaming, then how come every object and organism is bouund by the same laws, everywhere, at all times? Of course, I could be dreaming up all of you, but this leads me to my next point:
'I think, therefore, I am.' Every Human thinks, and this proves that they have higher intelligence, and a concious. So there are 'equal' to me, just as I am 'equal' to them. As they have their own concious thought, and I have no control over them, than they can do just about anything they want, as long as they fall under the parameters of physics. (see first paragraph).
Maybe you are the master of your own world and created your own set of laws.
Ah. So my religion is not baseless. Descartes actually did know a little something, then.
Err...what? Kevin, you haven't defended the argument at all, but instead pop in and say this?
Maybe you are the master of your own world and created your own set of laws
It takes a highly-trained lucid dreamer to do something remotely close to this, and even then, you have limitations in said dream that are possible in reality.
It takes a highly-trained lucid dreamer to do something remotely close to this, and even then, you have limitations in said dream that are possible in reality.
Excellent. There are limitations in dreams, as there are limitations in reality, but who is to say that reality is not a dream and dreams is not reality?
Einfach, I understand how it is safer to use the knowledge about our natural world to make safe hypotheses, but could there be any chance at all we are not just in a fantasy world where each and every lives are connected through a dream? Couldn't it be possible that when we actually dream, we catch a glimpse what maybe is reality?
but who is to say that reality is not a dream and dreams is not reality?
Because in reality, you and everyone else is bound to the same limitations and in a dream you are not. If you were in a dream, you can do many things deemed impossible by reality, regardless of whether you know you are in a dream or not. Please read the other posts we have given for you.
Couldn't it be possible that when we actually dream, we catch a glimpse what maybe is reality?
Sometimes people get sudden moments in their dreams that "wake them up" to reality. A sudden loud noise, a flip of a switch to make sudden blind light, pain, or a forced jerking motion all work.
So. This is how people wake up from dreams. Have we ever been awake and suddenly forced awake again? Or have we ever been forced into a dream? And if you say narcolepsy I will kill you.
Because in reality, you and everyone else is bound to the same limitations and in a dream you are not. If you were in a dream, you can do many things deemed impossible by reality, regardless of whether you know you are in a dream or not. Please read the other posts we have given for you.
Maybe there are different limitations.
Sometimes people get sudden moments in their dreams that "wake them up" to reality. A sudden loud noise, a flip of a switch to make sudden blind light, pain, or a forced jerking motion all work.
So. This is how people wake up from dreams. Have we ever been awake and suddenly forced awake again? Or have we ever been forced into a dream? And if you say narcolepsy I will kill you.
I don't think you answered the question. Please correct me if I am wrong and you did, but if you did, please clarify.
This reminds me a lot of Matrix. That's a crazy movie. But seriously, in a way, everyone is asleep. I believe that once I am in heaven, everyone will realize how asleep and unaware we really were.
Different limitations? The "limitations" are limitless when you dream! Only in reality are the limitations constant and unchanging.
I don't think you answered the question. Please correct me if I am wrong and you did, but if you did, please clarify.
I used "glimpse" loosely, as in you can have parts of reality set foot in your dreams, anything that you perceive outside of your realm, that can wake you up from your dream and put you back in reality.
All I am saying is that it is impossible to know what is reality.
I'm beginning to think you didn't read/understand much of the entire thread's responses >_>
I'll just throw this in here. Consequences. Dreams have no consequences, reality does. I'll say for the third time to see if you understand what it means. Do you know what happens if you stay up for 2 weeks straight without going back to sleep? If we are in this "endless dream" then there should be no consequences. Stay awake for 2 weeks, go jump in a pool of water for three minutes, don't eat for a month, charge at an angry bull head on, go play in traffic. Reality has consequences. Irreversible ones, I might add.
Freakenstein, you're passing the point. How do you know which is reality? Maybe what you call reality has consequences, but reality really doesn't at all. Try getting that in your head.
Sensineural functions: What we perceive in reality cannot be perceived in dreams. Our senses originate in reality and sometimes coincides with dreams. I know that my dream is a dream because I cannot 100% sense in my realm. My 6 senses are either not functioning or not functioning well.
Limitations: I can do ANYTHING in a dream. I can't do anything in reality. I can do things in a dream that I biologically cannot do in reality. I can fly in a dream but I cannot fly in reality. Why are other people bound to my limitations? Why aren't they more powerful than me? Why can't I manipulate them in reality but I can in a dream? These infinite possibilities you experience in dreams are against The Laws.
Consequences: If you do things in reality, you can die. Those that are knowledgeable in biology and physiology know what happens when you die. You stop functioning. Your 6 senses don't function. Your mind does not function, thus, you cannot create dreams. When you lose your mind, nothing else can be perceived, you are just a lifeless husk that is a vessel for the millions of lifeforms that want to feast on your organs. If you truly think that reality is a dream, then I gladly offer you to try and test it. But in dreams, that doesn't have to happen. You can die and be born multiple times in dreams. You can breathe underwater. You can do so many things in dreams and not be permanently punished for it.
What a dream really is: a simulation of the psyche produced when you go to sleep. I know a dream is a dream and reality is real because I can "feel" that it is. My dreams created can be linear and non-linear, yet when I wake up, reality is suddenly continued from where I last left off. It's in a constant motion of time. Can I be in different eras at once in reality? No.
