I've stated my opinions on Socialism before in other threads, but it wasn't the appropriate place to put the. I have debated with several of you on my ideas, but I crave a more in depth debate.
I think the government should provide services that humans are entitled to. The rest are luxuries, and those luxuries should be provided to companies. These are thing an individual person should have.
The government should provide healthcare, education (this includes money for universities), water, electricity, waste management, parks, and roads.
There should be a 40% tax on anyone who make $25 000 or more annually. That means, if you make $25 000, you don't pay taxes. If you make $26 000 annually, you have to pay 40% tax.
Here is a scenario. The average man makes around $50 000, no? If you make $50 000, then you get to keep $30 000.
With those $30 000, you only have to pay for your mortgage, car, food, and family.
The rule of thumb for paying a house, is five times your annual salary, or five years worth of income. A person who makes $50 000, should buy a house that is around $200 000. If you take out a mortgage for twenty years, you have to pay $10 000 a year. Right there, you only have $20 000 to spend.
Now, an average car that costs $12 000 lasts about six years. If gas costs $50 a month, then in one year, you spend $600 in one year. Right there, you have spent $22 600 and have $ 7 400 to spend.
Food for one month costs around $300 a month. In one year, that is $3 600. So now you have spent $26 200.
Television, phone, internet costs around $100 a month, so in one year, you spend $1 200 on that. Now, you have spent $27 400. The rest, $2 300, can go to your savings.
In your second year, since you already have a car, you have $12 000 extra. Furniture in total costs around $10 000. So, you have spent $25 400 on basic things. The rest of that, $4 600, can go to your savings.
So now you have a car, furniture and beds, a home, television, phone, internet, food, and gas in two years, without going over your budget.
In your third year, since you have another $12 000 to spare, since you already bought your car and furniture. Now, you if you always put $5 000 for every year, on savings, you have $7 000 to spend on whatever else you want. I think that's a pretty good deal. You can collect shoes, buy toys and games for your children, and actually live your life.
Now, for Libertarians, they would do other things. Everything would be privatized.
If the average person makes $50 000, they get to almost all of it. Let's see how that works out.
So, education costs around $9 000 a year. Healthcare costs $10 000 a year. Utilities, such as water, lighting, electricity, etc. costs around $9 000. Water costs $250 a month, so annually, $3 000. Electricity costs monthly, $350 a month, so annually $4 200. Gas costs $600 you have. Internet, phone, and television costs $1 200.
So all that costs, $28 000. That's more than what you would spend in taxes. Taxes only cost $20 000.
Even if you have no children, or conserve your money wisely, you only have, at most, $5 000 extra. Now, wouldn't you miss parks, roads, public transportation, and other things?
I don't see why I need to spend my hard earned money on other people though. Even so, education (excluding college) is already socialized in the United States, and look how cussing bad it currently is. In addition, assuming an average kid gets 15 years of education, with only 4 costing approximately $16,000 (price of state schools). Thus your estimate of $9,000 per year for education is way too high. I do see your point, but I don't see why I should be forced to pay for other people's mistakes.
I don't see why I need to spend my hard earned money on other people though.
You spend it on other people, so that you, as well as they, benefit.
Even so, education (excluding college) is already socialized in the United States, and look how cussing bad it currently is.
It is bad because it doesn't receive the funding it should. Education, when it comes to budget cuts, is always the first one.
In addition, assuming an average kid gets 15 years of education, with only 4 costing approximately $16,000 (price of state schools). Thus your estimate of $9,000 per year for education is way too high.
$9 000 is what it should cost. The education is so poorly because what is being spent on it is so low. Private schools, which serve the best education currently, costs $9 000. If we raise what should be spent on education to $9 000, education won't be so poor.
See what I am saying? I probably should've rephrased it.
I do see your point, but I don't see why I should be forced to pay for other people's mistakes.
Well, look. Everyone has to pay the same tax is you. It is fair.
I really don't see how I benefit from spending my money on other people. I understand it to a degree, but I don't believe it to be that true.
Let's say you want to buy a candy bar. That candy bar costs $5 for each of you. There are ten people that want candy. One person puts in $1, another puts in $7 and so on. In total, you have $50 dollars. Now, everyone gets to enjoy a candy bar. People who can afford two, give to those who can't afford any.
Get it?
Want to explain this to me?
What that means is, everyone who makes an annual income of $25 000 or less, doesn't pay taxes. Everyone who makes an income more than $25 000 annually, does pay taxes.
What that means is, everyone who makes an annual income of $25 000 or less, doesn't pay taxes. Everyone who makes an income more than $25 000 annually, does pay taxes.
I realize what you said, I was just showing how you contradicted yourself.
Let's say you want to buy a candy bar. That candy bar costs $5 for each of you. There are ten people that want candy. One person puts in $1, another puts in $7 and so on. In total, you have $50 dollars. Now, everyone gets to enjoy a candy bar. People who can afford two, give to those who can't afford any.
Let's say a candy bar costs $5. There are 10 people who want candy. Let's say alone I can afford 3 candy bars. Why should I buy the candy for them? There is no marginal gain for me here. You act like I get enjoyment from watching other people spend my money.
I realize what you said, I was just showing how you contradicted yourself.
but I didn't . . .
Let's say a candy bar costs $5. There are 10 people who want candy. Let's say alone I can afford 3 candy bars. Why should I buy the candy for them? There is no marginal gain for me here. You act like I get enjoyment from watching other people spend my money.
But if you only need one candy bar, and you don't need the other two for anything, why keep it?
I see you're point. I really do. You're not wrong. But just replace that candy bar, with healthcare. If you need the candy bar to survive, but you can't afford it, it is just wrong.
Well unless you make under $25,000 according to your original post.
Unless you mean throwing it away to the people who need it.
And I do sorry for not clarifying that. Obviously I don't want something just for the sake of having it. But in the case of the candy bar, I will eat the extra candy bars at some point. And even if I don't, I can still sell the candy bars, or *gasp* save my money and buy myself a better candy bar.
Exactly. If you give away 40% of $25 000, you only have $10 000. That is barely enough to survive. Plus, most people earn more than $25 000.
Nice job ignoring the majority of my argument. But anyway, why would I want to barely scrape by when I have enough resources to live like a King? Makes no sense to me.
