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PracticalManiac
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It's funny how your almost never born atheist, you become atheist. I personally think the whole religion thing is far fetched. Why cant we just be dead after we die? Why does there HAVE to be an afterlife? Dont get me wrong i respect others decisions, I just don't believe in it, who's with me? I'm going to be some grass fertilizer one day And home to some maggots + worms.

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PracticalManiac
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So you believe satan turned into a snake and convinced some guy to take a holy apple? But you dont believe something backed up with actual facts? I think I am done with this thread

Einfach
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But you dont believe something backed up with actual facts?

It's more than that. Denying evolution is like denying mathematics.
phsycomonkey
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To what extent do you mean when you say evolution?

PracticalManiac
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I mean if all this magical shape shifting and what not happened back in the days. Why is it not happening today? Funny the stories come from an uneducated time period.

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The flood would have decreased the amount of species to a very small number, and speciation would account today for the large numbers of species we see today.


Speaking of the flood, if you look it up, several instances of floods happen in stories throughout the world, The Epic of Gilgamesh, The Bible, and some other storied.
Einfach
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To what extent do you mean when you say evolution?

Evolution as far as descent within modification.

This definition: "In biology, evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms through successive generations."
from wikipedia.
PracticalManiac
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When I'm talking about evolution I mean the change over time. Of course you don't go from monkey to human in 1 day. It took a very long time. Changes so subtle you would never have realized.

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I mean if all this magical shape shifting and what not happened back in the days. Why is it not happening today? Funny the stories come from an uneducated time period.


If you mean adaption... it does happen, we sustain out lives in a way that fits our structure fine. Animals DO adapt today, there are some instances scientists find today. I do not believe that we came from monkeys though, that I think it to extreme. I haven't ever heard of a species' brain increasing in use/capacity.
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And thus, God cannot exist under this condition - it is impossible.


Or may be Evolution doesn't exist? I'm only using your logic.

So without God, morality does not / cannot exist??


Actually, without God, none of us would exist, because there would be no creator.

Something you don't have if you move out of your parents place.


So anybody who doesn't live with there parents has not rules to follow, nor do they have to follow rules?

You are also not punished by your parents for not taking their advice as you are with God.


My mother tells me not to stand in the interstate during rush-hour traffic. I choose not to obey her, and the consequences of my action is me getting hit by a car. So, in a sense, I AM punished for not obeying my mother's advice.

So your really claiming the infants were wicked and deserved to die?


Man is born dead in sin, and is an evil creature. So yes, you, me, and all other humans are wicked and deserve to die. However, God's love and mercy has saved us from his justice (and everlasting torment in Hell), through the birth, crucifixiatiion, death, and ascension of his Son, Jesus Christ.

1) There will be genetic variation within a population.


There are three main variants of Mitochondrial DNA in humans. Coencidentally, Noah had three daughters...

Gene Squares. Let a large A represent dark skin, and a small a represent light skin. Assume that both Adam and Eve were Aa. I'll let you do the rest, because I lack the tech to show you myself, and put the results on AG.

2) There is inheritance within a population, in which the offspring inherit traits from their parents.


Again, Gene Squares.

3) There will be certain traits that benefit survival and reproduction more than other traits.

4) Over time, we can observe traits that benefit survival and reproduction to be more common than other traits, as these traits directly increase the chance that these traits will be passed on to offspring.


3 and 4 is essentially describing evolution. So you're saying that "Evolution happens, because Evolution happens." Circular Reasoning, anybody?

But you dont believe something backed up with actual facts?


Again, you claim facts as if they grew on trees. But you have yet to show me any facts. It you're unwilling to back up your claims, than you should leave the thread.
PracticalManiac
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I am not talking about evolution when i say shape shifting. I am talking about lucifer coming in the form of a snake. I have never seen a talking snake. I have never seen any proof that anyone has every shape shifted into an animal. And dont tell me It's true because it's in the bible. That is not a fact at all. You will not sway me with excerpts from the bible.

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And the only 'roof' for evolution I've seen is really just over-hyped speciation. And speciation would happen in a Biblical Worldview. The flood would have decreased the amount of species to a very small number, and speciation would account today for the large numbers of species we see today.


Are you being sarcastic?
If not maybe I really should go through with that evolution reference thread.
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I am not talking about evolution when i say shape shifting. I am talking about lucifer coming in the form of a snake. I have never seen a talking snake. I have never seen any proof that anyone has every shape shifted into an animal. And dont tell me It's true because it's in the bible. That is not a fact at all. You will not sway me with excerpts from the bible.


This is only one example in The Bible, and if he's the devil and exists... I would think he could do that, and if he does, he probably turns into people to screw them up, and he's only 1 person/thing. If you mean miracles, i'm sure there is many people that would say otherwise. What your saying does make sense though. I don't want to appear desperate bashing on you or upset like some are.
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I have never seen a talking snake.


So because you've never seen something, it does not exist? I've never seen China, so it must not exist.

I have never seen any proof that anyone has every shape shifted into an animal.


Assuming that by 'anyone' you mean a human, that this statement is correct. As Lucifer was a fallen angel, he could very easily turn himself into a snake if he wished to.

Are you being sarcastic?


I did not use sarcasm brackets, ergo, I am not sarcastic...
phsycomonkey
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I've never seen China, so it must not exist.

You can't use examples like that... I can't see purple so it must be a lie? No that's cause I'm colorblind. You've never seen God, so he must not exist... That's the kind of example you just gave.
PracticalManiac
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Wow... just wow... Are you guys trolling? I swear your trolling because this is just... wow.

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