It's funny how your almost never born atheist, you become atheist. I personally think the whole religion thing is far fetched. Why cant we just be dead after we die? Why does there HAVE to be an afterlife? Dont get me wrong i respect others decisions, I just don't believe in it, who's with me? I'm going to be some grass fertilizer one day And home to some maggots + worms.
3 and 4 is essentially describing evolution. So you're saying that "Evolution happens, because Evolution happens." Circular Reasoning, anybody?
OK - so you are fine with 1 and 2, but you deny premises 3 and the conclusion 4. You are saying that there are not traits that benefit the survival of individuals. Hmm...look at lethal disorders, such as cystic fibrosis. Surely this affects the survival of individuals! Also, look at sickle cell anemia. It is beneficial in the presence of malaria. Without malaria, it is an evolutionary disadvantage. Evolution fills in the explanation of "order" that previously, religion could only really offer. It is clear that premise 3 is correct. All I have to do is name just one trait that does confer an evolutionary advantage / disadvantage, and I'm fine.
As for 4, this is a direct result of premise 3, and this encompasses evolution itself. Because of 3, then 4. It is inevitable!!
E1337 is absolutely right. I honestly don't see the theist's objection to this stuff... It's like the Church saying there are no sunspots or something after it's been observed and documented.
If the Bible said sunspots don't exist (which would be weird) I would think that that's stupid... but I haven't seen the Bible say something blandly doesn't exist. If it did, I would disagree
