It's funny how your almost never born atheist, you become atheist. I personally think the whole religion thing is far fetched. Why cant we just be dead after we die? Why does there HAVE to be an afterlife? Dont get me wrong i respect others decisions, I just don't believe in it, who's with me? I'm going to be some grass fertilizer one day And home to some maggots + worms.
YC has 2 skyscrapers less, because of some mo**********s terroists, who, after enough indoctrination decided to sacrifice their lifes for some ideals. I'm sorry, but towers would fall the same if they were taken down by communist or anrchist terrorism...
What do you have against communists, anyway? And they quite possibly could. But it would not have happened. Ever. Communists never blew up a building on American soil, anarchists (That is what you are trying to say? It was either that or Antichrist, which would be further off) also don't have reason to attack a random building.
Well let's look at a world without religon
Next lets look at a world without religion, the thing we are arguing about.
Is it beautiful
A lot less dead bodies lying around the middle east.
is it perfect?
It is a lot better than a world with religion.
is it free of war, violence pestilence, gangs, and greed?
Less war do to not having all this idiotic religious wars, less violence do to not having religious terrorist everywhere, less pestilence do to having more research done in that department instead of blaming crop failure on a god, though I can see gangs and greed still being here.
All of the things i mentioned are filled with whatever else humanity has a reason for fighting.
Except the fighting is to a far lesser extent.
We fight, we are greedy, we can be cruel
Speak for yourself. We may fight, but it will be far less and far less vicious, though greed is there it isn't necessarily a bad thing, and much cruelty is do to demonizing the enemy, which is mostly attributed to religion.
I'm sorry, but towers would fall the same if they were taken down by communist or anrchist terrorism...
I have no idea why you would defend one form of terrorism by saying that another form of violence would have the same result. I think I'm going to go out and dropkick every child I see, afterall, if I don't someone else could do just the same.
Getting rid of one form or medium for violence is a good thing, even if there is an alternative form of violence. Why else would people have stopped Hitler when there could have been other people to replace him? And by your logic you can defend ALL incentives for war merely by pointing out all OTHER incentives for war. I have to wonder if you are taking a nihilist standpoint shino, because it seems to me that you don't think there is any point in getting rid of any violence because getting rid of all violence is impossible.
E1337, I meant *actual* philosophy. Check out "LaVeyan Satanism" on WP, please. Kasic, youre so kind... :P BTW, from when communism and atheism aren't connected? :O Communism is atheistic ideology...
Shino...there "is" no atheistic idealogy, we aren't a group. The only thing we have all guranteed in common is that we don't believe there are any gods/dieties/water pixies/tree nymphs/unicorns and anything else illogical or extrordinarily impossible.
BTW, from when communism and atheism aren't connected? :O Communism is atheistic ideology...
Communism is the ideology that if the government owns everything, and that gets to the people, than no one starves, everyone gets equal shares, and everyone happy. How is that atheistic? How is that bad?
And, if that is somehow an atheistic ideology, than where does that put socialism?
dreiejen, you are wrong. I'M NOT defending terrorism. All i'm saying is that evil has one cause. Human nature. You guys really think that getting rid of religion would smohow *change* the world for good? i don't think so. In Communist states, religions were repressed, banned. Currently former communist countries got LOT of atheists, but are NO WAY better than more religious countries.
<If i seem to be spouting random nonsense, it composites of 3 things: -your writing speed -my CPU speed -my net connection> By "atheisitic ideology" I don't mean "it's ideology of atheists". That'd be silly (especially when I'm atheist myself ) Yet, one of communism principles is, that religions are evil. Have it made communist countries better places?
And, this is one of POSITIVE things religion did... My country, Poland, would most possibly be still SOCIALIST, <God, don't pick onsuch details... > if it weren't for catholic church and pope John Paul 2. I'm not his fan, but that's surely some achievement.
Well, the crusades weren't even started for religon. In my Global class all the europeans were told by the pope that fighting in the war would get them in heaven. It was because the Pope was a bad person and
used
religon to spread his greed. jerusalem was a valuable object and to have it would show the Pope's power. This also shows that the people are bad, not the religon. and without it the bad people would just find another way to express their greedy ways.
dreiejen, you are wrong. I'M NOT defending terrorism. All i'm saying is that evil has one cause. Human nature. You guys really think that getting rid of religion would smohow *change* the world for good?
So tell me again, what caused the Crusades since religion had nothing to do with it? Do you seriously think we would have 2000 people killing some random UN workers without religion?
In Communist states, religions were repressed, banned. Currently former communist countries got LOT of atheists, but are NO WAY better than more religious countries.
Seriously, what do you have against communism? Actually, typically the more poor a country is, the more religious it is. Most of the rich western countries have way less of a religious influence than poor countries, so in the respect of being richer, many are. So that is one way better. I am unaware of crime statistics, but in poor countries laws are more commonly broken than in the richer countries that are communist/former communist. So in that respect they are better as well. There is two.
You guys really think that getting rid of religion would smohow *change* the world for good? i don't think so. In Communist states, religions were repressed, banned. Currently former communist countries got LOT of atheists, but are NO WAY better than more religious countries.
Communism is not inspired by atheism, possibly the other way around but I'm not sure about that, I am an atheist but I am not a communist... To say that a lot of communists are atheist is a moot point. If you have something against communism then sure argue against it, but it doesn't justify religion. Getting rid of religion would have been one less reason for wars. And saying that all evil is caused by human nature has no place in this argument, you can change your behavior based on your beliefs, on your upbringing. People generally don't believe that going into war to convert whole nations is honorable anymore, and arent you glad of that? I can live in peace without fear of neighbouring countries suddenly bombing my house because I have different beliefs(atleast where I live).
And, this is one of POSITIVE things religion did... My country, Poland, would most possibly be still SOCIALIST, <God, don't pick onsuch details... > if it weren't for catholic church and pope John Paul 2. I'm not his fan, but that's surely some achievement.
Seriously, what do you have against socialism and communism? You make it sound like these are somehow bad.
Well, the crusades weren't even started for religon. In my Global class all the europeans were told by the pope that fighting in the war would get them in heaven. It was because the Pope was a bad person and
How the **** is that not religion? "Do what I tell you and you will get into heaven" is religion if I ever saw it.
erusalem was a valuable object and to have it would show the Pope's power.
Because it was a religious object. Without religion Jerusalem is a completely useless town in the middle of a desert.
So tell me, why did all those men go to war? To get to heaven and to serve their god. How would that happen without religion? A man with religious power uses religion to get some religious people to fight a religious war for a city that is only useful as a religious relic. How does religion not effect that?
"More poor country is, more religious it is"?! Say that one in China, or Cuba...
Seriously, what do you have against communism?
My country experienced it. (Alrite, alrite, SOCIALISM). Wait... you say "former communist countries" are RICHER than "non-former communist"? Excuse me, but that's piece of bull***t. Period of socialism *always* ruined countries economy.
