It's funny how your almost never born atheist, you become atheist. I personally think the whole religion thing is far fetched. Why cant we just be dead after we die? Why does there HAVE to be an afterlife? Dont get me wrong i respect others decisions, I just don't believe in it, who's with me? I'm going to be some grass fertilizer one day And home to some maggots + worms.
No. you're missing the point. Pope urban the second was a bad person and used his power evily. He was bad not the religon. Religon was the gun, he was the one who pulled the trigger.
<I'm beggining to feel like this discussion's getting a bit pointless..> You won't convince me that socialism is good. Please. I *LIVE* in post-socialist country.
And, were straying off-topic... Again, I say it is not *religion* which is evil. *Every* ideology can be abused and turned int pure evil. You can kill in name of God, in name of science, name of peace or fu*****ng pink fluffy rabbits. THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
You can kill in name of God, in name of science, name of peace or fu*****ng pink fluffy rabbits. THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
Killing in the name of peace doesn't make any sense. Neither does the killing to preserve peace that many countries use though. However it does matter, if you take out God you have one less thing to kill for.
Look, why won't you just face harsh truth? You say you are atheists. I *thought* that being atheist is *about* facing truth? WORLD SUCKS. PEOPLE SUCK. PEOPLE KILL FOR 1000 REASON AND REMOVING ONE OF THEM WOULD ACCOMPLISH NOTHING, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY REPLACED WITH SOMETHING OTHER; POSSIBLY WORSER.
But it won't mean you'll kill less. It will make banners of armies less varied.
I would say it would make you kill less. Many of the wars where religion was a cause would only have happened because of religion. It is much easier to get someone to enter a random and pointless war by using a religion they have been part of their whole life than it is to use anything else.
You won't convince me that socialism is good. Please. I *LIVE* in post-socialist country.
I still don't see how that effects anything. How is it bad?
Again, I say it is not *religion* which is evil.
A book that tells you to behead people who speak out against you isn't evil?
*Every* ideology can be abused and turned int pure evil.
Great. So what about the ideology that people should be peaceful and sort out their problems true debate rather than violence?
You can kill in name of God,
That you can.
in name of science
When did that happen?
THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
Yes, actually it does. If you are legitimately fighting in order to do something legitimate, like for peace or to overthrow a government that is somehow horrible, etc. But without religion, you actually have to think of a reason, rather than saying "GOD WANTS THIS GUY DEAD!"
But youre not seeing perspective! My point is, if you remove religion, something would *REPLACE* it. I have no idea, what, but humanity is just built this way. We we'll believe in something. We'll do some evil and use it to justify our evil. Our hatred. Our fear. It is easier that way. If you ask me, I believe, if there were, lessay, 60% atheists in the world, soon you would find group of some sunnova *****, who would begin killing religious people, "because religion's evil".
My point is, if you remove religion, something would *REPLACE* it
No. Nothing would replace it.
have no idea, what, but humanity is just built this way.
No it isn't.
We we'll believe in something.
How about the truth? Science?
We'll do some evil and use it to justify our evil.
Really? And what would make you think this?
We'll do some evil and use it to justify our evil. Our hatred. Our fear. It is easier that way. If you ask me, I believe, if there were, lessay, 60% atheists in the world, soon you would find group of some sunnova *****, who would begin killing religious people, "because religion's evil".
if you took away as many bad things as you could think of besides rasism, people would always be fighting about race. because there is a balanca to things. religon isn't compleatly evil, just as atheism isn't compleatly good. with rich there are poor, with strong there are weak. Everything has it's good and bad, and you can't just classify something as general as religon as bad.
You have to think of a reason? No way. All you need is, "They are different" That's enough, always were enough and WILL be enough to kill. There are variations, justifications like "different faith";"different skin color"; eventually it could be even fu*****ng haircut or eye color! Have you watched movie "Blue-eyed"?
shino, this has little to do with atheism anymore. Atheists don't have to meet any of your expectations other than non-belief in a deity. Anyway you basically have admitted that you don't see any point in getting rid of any evil because it could just be replaced by evil of another form. But I genuinely believe that the world has improved, that, in general, todays moral standards are better than it was in the past. I don't think that the human endeavour is doomed to failure, I think that we have and will continue to improve our lives by reevaluating our beliefs and values. Removing one incentive for violence is not fruitless. You cannot deny that a lot of wars are caused mainly because of religion. Yes wars can be and have been caused by greed, but not all of them.
If there are resources to be had from going to war, then sure people can use religion as an excuse, if not religion then make up some other excuse. But if you go to war because a place has religious significance or to convert people, having no religion won't force you to make up an excuse for going to war when there is nothing to be had in the first place.
