It's funny how your almost never born atheist, you become atheist. I personally think the whole religion thing is far fetched. Why cant we just be dead after we die? Why does there HAVE to be an afterlife? Dont get me wrong i respect others decisions, I just don't believe in it, who's with me? I'm going to be some grass fertilizer one day And home to some maggots + worms.
But look at the Holocaust the Natizes kill millions of innocent people,in the name of atheism, just because they were "inferior".
Really? That's odd, because Hitler was Catholic, and believed he was doing God's work by eliminating the Jews. Furthermore, he was a member of the Catholic church, in good standing, until his death. Also, as part of the Nazi uniform, they wore belt buckles and often also pins inscribed with "Gott mit uns" (God with us).
Sounds like a very atheistic viewpoint imho.... /sarcasm
I believe in God because God is just and true.
Really? Just?!?! Hmm... murdering all the children of an entire race because their parents kept slaves, yep, that's just.
Murdering millions and wiping two cities completely out of existence for not following his teachings, yep, that's just.
Sending bears to eat children for making fun of a bald guy. Yep, that's just.
Shall I continue?
Seriously, if the stories of the Bible are true then Yahweh is the most unjust, arrogant, selfish, hypocritical, woman-hating, bigoted tyrant to have ever lived.
Also, science is full of theories about how the universe started, so there is a lot of ambiguity in there as well. Not to say that all science is a lie, just a lot of it doesn't add up to good.
You obviously have no understanding of the difference between the colloquial meaning of 'theory' and the scientific meaning of it. You might want to learn about it before you use that tired old argument.
you have to ACT like a Christian, according to the Bible, not according to one's own set of ethics.
You might want to re-read the Bible, because the 'Christian ethics' displayed therein are quite often atrocious.
You might want to re-read the Bible, because the 'Christian ethics' displayed therein are quite often atrocious.
Example, please. Oh, and also, if someone obviously warns you not to do something, and then you do it anyway, if you get hurt, it's your fault for not listening. I.e. someone tells you not to run with scissors. You do anyway, and hurt yourself. Do you have a right to get mad at them? No. They told you not to do it, and you wouldn't listen.
Really? That's odd, because Hitler was Catholic, and believed he was doing God's work by eliminating the Jews. Furthermore, he was a member of the Catholic church, in good standing, until his death. Also, as part of the Nazi uniform, they wore belt buckles and often also pins inscribed with "Gott mit uns" (God with us).
Where does it say anywhere that God approved of his acts? The catholic church has ALWAYS been corrupt and really nowadays uses God as a scapegoat for wrongdoing.
Murdering millions and wiping two cities completely out of existence for not following his teachings, yep, that's just.
Considering that God specifically said that those cities were performing evil and unnecessary acts, and considering that God WAS asked to spare any innocent people, yeah, he had the right to destroy them...
Considering that God specifically said that those cities were performing evil and unnecessary acts, and considering that God WAS asked to spare any innocent people, yeah, he had the right to destroy them...
I thought that god was letting us our 'free will'. Good example, really. What about all innocent lifeforms that were killed in the flood, was that also just?
of course it just. And since god knows the future (i. e. what jesus says in the last supper) it was also just to create them, knowing he would have to annihilate them.
I thought that god was letting us our 'free will'. Good example, really. What about all innocent lifeforms that were killed in the flood, was that also just?
That was the Old Testament and those laws were not established at that point. Considering that science also kills lifeforms through natural selection, I don't see what point you are trying to make.
of course it just. And since god knows the future (i. e. what jesus says in the last supper) it was also just to create them, knowing he would have to annihilate them.
Yes he did create them to annihilate them... But he did it to demonstrate how evil would be punished...
That was the Old Testament and those laws were not established at that point.
Your god seems a little slow to learn, I expected more planning from an omnipotent being. But frankly, what is your opinion of the old testament? Do you consider it as valable a code for your religion as the new testament?
Considering that science also kills lifeforms through natural selection, I don't see what point you are trying to make.
What you mean are natural processes, science is only here to explain those. Also, your god is supposed to be the loving, forgiving one, so why compare god with nature? I really wouldn't want to lay my life in the hands of someone that may take it just because someone other made a wrong step.
Easier, but haven't we already made that conjecture ourselves? C'mon we don't need things like that spoonfeeded to us....
Of course. We made that conjecture ourselves, at the cheap price of two cities destroyed and the whole world flooded. But since that isn't even a thousandth of the people god killed, it's ok. right?
No.... His followers will be saved and those who have turned away will be punished.
That like you have to agree and be friends with your family no matter the differences of opinion that arise or how horrible they are. Or staying married no matter how badly it's going. Such relationships don't work if you force then and this very much seems like the relationship with your God. Like if you had a kid and after a few years you became less close due to random factors but instead of accepting the difference and continuing being a good parent you punish them and throw them out.
turned away will be punished.
What about other religions with different gods? Are you punished due to your beliefs. Are other religions wrong? and if they are why are they and if they are what makes you think your religion is any better to another outsider deciding that it's wrong.
the logical gymnastics you are making are rather amusing.
First off, With Hitler being Catholic, we kinda showed your whole Athiests are ebil attack to be full of nonsense.
Never did I say that atheists are evil. That was some other guy. To be honest, most are knowledgeable, and are very good people. I have no problem with anyone being atheist other than the fact that they've tossed God out of their lives. And btw, many atheists on this website use "mental gymnastics" as well.
It's the difference between letting your cat die in it's sleep and setting it on fire. There is a huge freaking difference between the two.
If that cat is possessed by the devil, wouldn't you burn it?
The evil he created in the first place. Kinda like setting your house on fire and then putting it out to show everyone the proper way to put out a fire.
Nice creativity within your examples. I do not see how you are ignorant enough to not get what I am trying to say. He created them to show evil's eventual downfall. Putting out a house fire you started just to show some clutz how to do it is completely idiotic. People back in the day did not know God's power like we do nowadays, so an example was necessary.
