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Krizaz

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Posted March 26, '11 1:33am UTC

As a native of Wisconsin, and my father being a state worker, I am very proud of how Wisconsin has acted over the past few weeks.

I have done various essays for school on these protest so I know the gist of it.

What it does
This bill strips nearly all collective baragining rights form state workers.
Wisconsin was the first state to get collective bargaining, by doing this Walker is try to erase Wisconsins proud history.

I'll start form the begging of what I know.

On February 14, University of Madison student walked into the rotunda of the capitol protesting the bill Governor Walker was proposing.

On February 15, Multiple schools practiced walk outs protesting the bill.

On February 17, All 14 Wisconsin senators left, delaying a bill that needs a minimum of 20 senators. This sparked debate among the republican senators, sparking outcries among democratic senators. My opinion is that these senators did their job, by allowing democracy to happen instead of letting Walker jam through a bill destroying Wisconsin families.

From February all the way until March, the protest got bigger, reaching over 100,000 people. The weekend that the Tea-Party came there was actually very little violence if any, no arrest were made even past that point. There were very little Tea-Partiers, and at it;s hight about 2,000 tea partiers to the 65,000+ pro-teachers/union.

Dirty Republicans

The scum of the earth republicans did eventually find a way to pass the non- fiscal part fo the bill, as the senate could have any number of senators to pass a non-fiscal bill. These people held a long secretive session in early March, stripping the fiscal parts of the bill and just passing the non-fiscal parts. Soon after this was passed thousands of protestors angrily took to the streets, pounding on Windows and other such things, I don't believe any arrest were made, but it was a very angry crowd of shocked people.

This act took only seconds to pass with a 18-1 vote, the lone nay was R-Dale Shultz, he earlier stated that he would vote against the bill, this action alone sparked the Dirty Republican party to try to oust him from the party.

The bill was also passed in the senate, but denied in the court by the Dane County judge. The Dirt Republican Party also found a way around this, they basically told the Judge to eff-off by writing a footnote that states the bill has to go in affect in 10 days.

There is much, much more to talk about and if this topic gets going I can say much more.

Fun Facts:
Many celebrities supported Wisconsin protestors.
No ads for Walker were run from inside Wisconsin associations.
David Koch funds Walker, what a ****.
Scott Walker was dropped out of Marquette for cheating.
Walker destroyed Milwaukee's economy and jobs just like he's doing now

Look. Walkers a idiot an if you don't think that, get out of America.

Home it it right for the rich to get richer, and the poor to get poorer... It makes no sense.

If you live in Wiscosin, get out to recall your Dirty Republican Senator/Assembly leader. [/b]And Scott Walker in 2012![b]

[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bSaRyjjZuMg/TWV7QJuQqQI/AAAAAAAAIJA/PQdlPhZLNc8/s1600/scott-walker-dope.gif[/img]\r\nAs a native of Wisconsin, and my father being a state worker, I am very proud of how Wisconsin has acted over the past few weeks.\r\n\r\nI have done various essays for school on these protest so I know the [i]gist[/i] of it.\r\n\r\n[b]What it does[/b]\r\nThis bill strips nearly all collective baragining rights form state workers. \r\nWisconsin was the first state to get collective bargaining, by doing this Walker is try to erase Wisconsins proud history.\r\n[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-angAq-BF-bE/TWfx3lGAepI/AAAAAAAAQRM/X6up0AGL_Ro/s1600/WisconsinProtest-1102.jpg[/img]\r\n\r\n\r\n[i]I'll start form the begging of what I know[/i].\r\n\r\nOn February 14, University of Madison student walked into the rotunda of the capitol protesting the bill Governor Walker was proposing.\r\n\r\nOn February 15, Multiple schools practiced walk outs protesting the bill.\r\n\r\nOn February 17, All 14 Wisconsin senators left, delaying a bill that needs a minimum of 20 senators. This sparked debate among the republican senators, sparking outcries among democratic senators. My opinion is that these senators did their job, by allowing democracy to happen instead of letting Walker jam through a bill destroying Wisconsin families.\r\n\r\nFrom February all the way until March, the protest got bigger, reaching over 100,000 people. The weekend that the Tea-Party came there was actually very little violence if any, no arrest were made even past that point. There were very little Tea-Partiers, and at it;s hight about 2,000 tea partiers to the 65,000+ pro-teachers/union.\r\n[img]http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/110313_recent_wisconsin_protest_ap_328.jpg[/img]\r\n\r\n[b]Dirty Republicans[/b]\r\n\r\nThe scum of the earth republicans did eventually find a way to pass the non- fiscal part fo the bill, as the senate could have any number of senators to pass a non-fiscal bill. These people held a long secretive session in early March, stripping the fiscal parts of the bill and just passing the non-fiscal parts. Soon after this was passed thousands of protestors angrily took to the streets, pounding on Windows and other such things, I don't believe any arrest were made, but it was a very angry crowd of shocked people.\r\n\r\nThis act took only seconds to pass with a 18-1 vote, the lone nay was  R-Dale Shultz, he earlier stated that he would vote against the bill, this action alone sparked the Dirty Republican party to try to oust him from the party.\r\n\r\nThe bill was also passed in the senate, but denied in the court by the Dane County judge. The Dirt Republican Party also found a way around this, they basically told the Judge to eff-off by writing a footnote that states the bill has to go in affect in 10 days.\r\n\r\nThere is much, much more to talk about and if this topic gets going I can say much more.\r\n\r\nFun Facts:\r\nMany celebrities supported Wisconsin protestors.\r\nNo ads for Walker were run from inside Wisconsin associations.\r\nDavid Koch funds Walker, what a ****.\r\nScott Walker was dropped out of Marquette for cheating.\r\nWalker destroyed Milwaukee's economy and jobs just like he's doing now\r\n\r\nLook. Walkers a idiot an if you don't think that, get out of America.\r\n\r\n[b]Home it it right for the rich to get richer, and the poor to get poorer... It makes no sense.[/b]\r\n\r\n[i]If you live in Wiscosin, get out to recall your Dirty Republican Senator/Assembly leader.[/i] [/b]And Scott Walker in 2012![b]\r\n\r\n[img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXTcrabtkydhHneq1b8-NuzN96qbi0hzNEWURETesV5TUvPuYY&t=1[/img]

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Kevin4762

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Posted March 26, '11 5:54pm UTC

I don't really like Unions, but meh. I still don't like Walker.

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Krizaz

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Posted March 26, '11 9:48pm UTC

Yes lets raise taxes even more in Wisconsin. That just encourages businesses to come here!

Did you not read what I just typed?

By doing what he is doing, Walker will get businesses here, but not without ruining the education or the rest of the state workers. What will happen is some huge business run by David Koch will get here, everyone will get paid $18 an hour, but there will be no raises, and that is not enough to raise a family on.

What Walker is doing is just destroying the middle class, and trying to make his own separate 'rivate' class. What he is doing is not helping anybody, nobody with families will want to move to Wisconsin because of lack of teachers and crowded rooms, and no old people will want to come here either with the lack of social security, he's dictating like Wisconsin is his own country. Walker is corrupt, just like all politicians, but he is not respecting the bipartisan tradition. He is not respecting the majority of people of Wisconsin. He tried this in Milwaukee, and look whats happening in Milwaukee.

[quote]Yes lets raise taxes even more in Wisconsin. That just encourages businesses to come here! :D[/quote]\r\n\r\nDid you not read what I just typed?\r\n\r\nBy doing what he is doing, Walker will get businesses here, but not without ruining the education or the rest of the state workers. What will happen is some huge business run by David Koch will get here, everyone will get paid $18 an hour, but there will be no raises, and that is not enough to raise a family on.\r\n\r\nWhat Walker is doing is just destroying the middle class, and trying to  make his own separate 'private' class. What he is doing is not helping anybody, nobody with families will want to move to Wisconsin because of lack of teachers and crowded rooms, and no old people will want to come here either with the lack of social security, he's dictating like Wisconsin is his own country. Walker is corrupt, just like all politicians, but he is not respecting the bipartisan tradition. He is not respecting the majority of people of Wisconsin. He tried this in Milwaukee, and look whats happening in Milwaukee.

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thepyro222

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Posted March 26, '11 10:26pm UTC

lulz at democrats. Instead of being a little ***** and complaining about it, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! that's the problem with Dems, they talk a big game, but don't do anything about their little complaints.

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Krizaz

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Posted March 26, '11 11:25pm UTC

DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

They are, there called recalls. In effect now, 16 senators. Next year 16 more and a Governor.

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Kevin4762

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Posted March 26, '11 11:46pm UTC

This is what happens with Libertarianism.

There is a very small, very rich percentage of people, and then there is a very large, very poor percentage of people.

Why? Because the expenses that would be covered by the government, have to be payed for individually. What happens? Since the rich can afford to pay this, the have no problem and just keep getting richer; for the poor, however, since they cannot afford to pay for such things as education and healthcare, they are constantly lagging behind.

When the price of goods, education and healthcare, is high and the people who aren't rich, cannot afford to pay the goods, they are in debt.

Now why does the price of goods drop? Because the government is not there regulate it. Therefore, the companies can put a price on whatever they want. Education may cost $2, but if all of the companies are charging $50, then there is really nothing the people can do since the price of education hovers around $50.

The rich, who earn $100 dollars, can afford to pay the $50, but those who earn $25, cannot.

I basically just disproved Libertarianism right there.

Now, taxing the rich would promote business since that money from the rich can be used to help small companies, the competition of the larger, richer companies. Basically, take money from the big businesses and give to the small businesses.

See what I did there? That is why government budget cuts never work. The only thing a government should do is regulate companies so that they are forced to hire employees and use their billions of dollars to stimulate the economy instead of using taxpayer money.

Instead of the government spending money that doesn't exist, they should use the money from the businesses that started the recession, to fix the recession. Banks earned tens of billions of dollars before the recession, with their high interest rates, and now the government has to solve the recession which the banks started.

I think the companies should use the money the earned to fix the recession. Well, now I'm just ranting, but taxing promotes big business, and it resolves recessions.

This is what happens with Libertarianism.\r\n\r\nThere is a very small, very rich percentage of people, and then there is a very large, very poor percentage of people.\r\n\r\nWhy? Because the expenses that would be covered by the government, have to be payed for individually. What happens? Since the rich can afford to pay this, the have no problem and just keep getting richer; for the poor, however, since they cannot afford to pay for such things as education and healthcare, they are constantly lagging behind.\r\n\r\nWhen the price of goods, education and healthcare, is high and the people who aren't rich, cannot afford to pay the goods, they are in debt.\r\n\r\nNow why does the price of goods drop? Because the government is not there regulate it. Therefore, the companies can put a price on whatever they want. Education may cost $2, but if all of the companies are charging $50, then there is really nothing the people can do since the price of education hovers around $50.\r\n\r\nThe rich, who earn $100 dollars, can afford to pay the $50, but those who earn $25, cannot.\r\n\r\nI basically just disproved Libertarianism right there.\r\n\r\nNow, taxing the rich would promote business since that money from the rich can be used to help small companies, the competition of the larger, richer companies. Basically, take money from the big businesses and give to the small businesses.\r\n\r\nSee what I did there? That is why government budget cuts never work. The only thing a government should do is regulate companies so that they are forced to hire employees and use their billions of dollars to stimulate the economy instead of using taxpayer money.\r\n\r\nInstead of the government spending money that doesn't exist, they should use the money from the businesses that started the recession, to fix the recession. Banks earned tens of billions of dollars before the recession, with their high interest rates, and now the government has to solve the recession which the banks started.\r\n\r\nI think the companies should use the money the earned to fix the recession. Well, now I'm just ranting, but taxing promotes big business, and it resolves recessions.

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CommanderDude7

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Posted March 27, '11 1:09am UTC

He is not respecting the majority of people of Wisconsin

He was voted in by the majority to do what he is doing.

look whats happening in Milwaukee.

Why do people keep saying this? How is Milwaukee worse off than any other big city?

David Koch

Again with this guy. Just because he is giving money for commercials? Just like the unions? And how in any way could he replace every business in Wisconsin and turn us into slave labor.

but he is not respecting the bipartisan tradition

Really he isnt? I guess the dems running to Illinois is respecting that then?

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Krizaz

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Posted March 27, '11 2:26am UTC

He was voted in by the majority to do what he is doing.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/106617828.html

Now if 50% of people in Wisconsin voted, then about 26% of people voted for Walker, and if 95% of protestors at the capitol are against Walker, where are the republicans?

Why do people keep saying this? How is Milwaukee worse off than any other big city?

[url=http://www.jsonline.com/business/29339004.html[/url]

Milwaukee had the second worst unemployment rate under Walker.

JSOnline -

Still, Milwaukee's employment has not been growing at the same pace as other big cities and could be slowing, Levine said. The latest increase in 12-month employment for Milwaukee, 0.28%, is the smallest this year, according to preliminary data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Again with this guy. Just because he is giving money for commercials? Just like the unions? And how in any way could he replace every business in Wisconsin and turn us into slave labor.

He has so much more money that Unions will ever have, on top of that, there's also huge companies like Menards, KwikTrip, and Target giving huge amounts of money, unions can't compete with that.

Really he isnt? I guess the dems running to Illinois is respecting that then?

The reason the Dems ran is because of Walker's inability to recognize them and the governments bipartisan ways.

taxing (the rich) promotes big business, and it resolves recessions.

[quote]He was voted in by the majority to do what he is doing.[/quote]\r\n\r\n[url=http://www.jsonline.com/business/29339004.html]http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/106617828.html\r\n[/url]\r\nNow if 50% of people in Wisconsin voted, then about 26% of people voted for Walker, and if 95% of protestors at the capitol are against Walker, where are the republicans?\r\n\r\n[quote]Why do people keep saying this? How is Milwaukee worse off than any other big city?[/quote]\r\n[url=http://www.jsonline.com/business/29339004.html[/url]\r\n\r\nMilwaukee had the second worst unemployment rate under Walker.\r\n\r\nJSOnline - [quote]Still, Milwaukee's employment has not been growing at the same pace as other big cities and could be slowing, Levine said. The latest increase in 12-month employment for Milwaukee, 0.28%, is the smallest this year, according to preliminary data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.[/quote]\r\n\r\n[quote]Again with this guy. Just because he is giving money for commercials? Just like the unions? And how in any way could he replace every business in Wisconsin and turn us into slave labor.[/quote]\r\n\r\nHe has so much more money that Unions will ever have, on top of that, there's also huge companies like Menards, KwikTrip, and Target giving huge amounts of money, unions can't compete with that.\r\n\r\n[quote]Really he isnt? I guess the dems running to Illinois is respecting that then?[/quote]\r\n\r\nThe reason the Dems ran is because of Walker's inability to recognize them and the governments bipartisan ways.\r\n\r\n[quote]taxing (the rich) promotes big business, and it resolves recessions.[/quote]

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CommanderDude7

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Posted March 27, '11 2:35am UTC

Now if 50% of people in Wisconsin voted, then about 26% of people voted for Walker, and if 95% of protestors at the capitol are against Walker, where are the republicans?

At home I suppose. This statement just seems random.

He has so much more money that Unions will ever have, on top of that, there's also huge companies like Menards, KwikTrip, and Target giving huge amounts of money, unions can't compete with that.

Well how many commercials were the unions running during this whole thing? Certainly seemed like they weren't short of cash considering they keep making more commercials.

The reason the Dems ran is because of Walker's inability to recognize them and the governments bipartisan ways.

They were elected to stay and vote the way their constituents wanted not run and hide.
Also that link is from 2007....

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Krizaz

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Posted March 27, '11 2:40am UTC

They were elected to stay and vote the way their constituents wanted not run and hide.
Also that link is from 2007....

Walker was in office in Milwaukee in 2007.

They cannot vote on something that Walker is jamming through whilst not letting people have a say on the issue.

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CommanderDude7

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Posted March 27, '11 2:44am UTC

They cannot vote on something that Walker is jamming through whilst not letting people have a say on the issue.

The people had their say. Thats why he was voted in to deal with the enormous budget deficit. This wasn't something sprung on everybody at the last minute.
2007 is old news get some up to date info.

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Krizaz

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Posted March 27, '11 4:00am UTC

[url=http://www.politicususa.com/en/scott-walker-kills-wisconsin-bill]

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wolf1991

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Posted March 27, '11 5:14am UTC

Boo hoo, get over it. The government will have to make cuts eventually, and by that point it will be too late. You'll have a few extra students in a classroom, so what? You ever been in a class with 45 students? If it gets to that point, tell me. I'll kindly tell you how to deal with it.

While I agree that Krizaz is standing from a heavily biased platform, Orion, he does make a point about education cuts. Now, this isn't just for Wisconsin either, this is politics in general. Have you ever noticed that one of the first things to get cut in hard times are education programs? Now, maybe I'm being biased because I'm a student, trying to make money for university, but wouldn't it be a better idea to take money from the military? Or a sector that doesn't directly affect a great deal of the population? Education is extremely important.

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wolf1991

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Posted March 27, '11 1:53pm UTC

A stupid population is a compliant population. It's in the government's best interest to keep up stupid.

Then for those intelligent enough there's always the internet and library. No, these are not fool proof, but educating oneself must be done some times if the system won't.

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Krizaz

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Posted March 27, '11 6:29pm UTC

So who is the puppetmaster?

Nobody really, it was the UW Students first, then everybody else started taking notice, by the time 45,000 people showed up then Jesse Jackson came, and Obama chimed in.

You ever been in a class with 45 students?

My largest class has 25 students in it. I live in a small town though, places like Madison and Milwaukee will be looking at 45 students per class, at that point it's like a college and no student will have any say in the classroom.

How does taking their money do anything but let them commit tax evasion? If you were taking a billion or more dollars a year from my pocketbook, I wouldn't pay you it.

You would pay for it if it lined up with the 45% tax that the highest 1% should be paying.

When you agree with someone, you don't protest them.

I can't vote, but most people were being lazy or wanted a change, people in Wisconsin didn't need this much of a change.

You pretend that the government can work together. Guess what, they can't

There wouldn't be this drastic of an uproar if Walker and the rest of the republicans would at least listen to the other side of the argument. He is being an ignorant fool.

I don't see how letting you guys not go bankrupt is disrespectful. Programs need to be cut to balance the budget. Get over it.

A very large majority of Wisconsin is getting affected by he agenda in a negative way, making people have even more on their shoulders. Old people, young people, middle aged people... how does this make Wisconsin 'Open for business'? You don't meet many people in Wisconsin that agree with this bill and Walkers agenda.

When you stop being ignorant about who this bill is affecting and actually show some empathy for the people it's affecting then you can talk, I have not idea what state your in, but I'm guessing that your teachers and state workers rights are not being taking away, along with thousands of dollars when they're only making $36,000 to $42,000 a year! Which, if you dont't know anything about salaries is hardly anything.

[quote]So who is the puppetmaster?[/quote]\r\n\r\nNobody really, it was the UW Students first, then everybody else started taking notice, by the time 45,000 people showed up then Jesse Jackson came, and Obama chimed in.\r\n\r\n[quote]You ever been in a class with 45 students? [/quote]\r\n\r\nMy largest class has 25 students in it. I live in a small town though, places like Madison and Milwaukee will be looking at 45 students per class, at that point it's like a college and no student will have any say in the classroom.\r\n\r\n[quote]How does taking their money do anything but let them commit tax evasion? If you were taking a billion or more dollars a year from my pocketbook, I wouldn't pay you it. [/quote] \r\nYou would pay for it if it lined up with the  45% tax that the highest 1% should be paying.\r\n\r\n[quote]When you agree with someone, you don't protest them.[/quote]\r\n\r\nI can't vote, but most people were being lazy or wanted a change, people in Wisconsin didn't need this much of a change.\r\n\r\n[quote]You pretend that the government can work together. Guess what, they can't[/quote]\r\n\r\nThere wouldn't be this drastic of an uproar if Walker and the rest of the republicans would at least listen to the other side of the argument. He is being an ignorant fool.\r\n\r\n[quote]I don't see how letting you guys not go bankrupt is disrespectful. Programs need to be cut to balance the budget. Get over it.[/quote]\r\n\r\nA very large majority of Wisconsin is getting affected by he agenda in a  negative way, making people have even more on their shoulders. Old people, young people, middle aged people... how does this make Wisconsin 'Open for business'? You don't meet many people in Wisconsin that agree with this bill and Walkers agenda.\r\n\r\n\r\nWhen you stop being ignorant about who this bill is affecting and actually show some empathy for the people it's affecting then you can talk, I have not idea what state your in, but I'm guessing that your teachers and state workers rights are not being taking away, along with thousands of dollars when they're only making $36,000 to $42,000 a year! Which, if you dont't know anything about salaries is hardly anything.

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Krizaz

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Posted March 27, '11 6:37pm UTC

Why should the top 1% pay 45% taxes while the poor pay next to nothing, if anything, in taxes?

he lower 20% pays decreased taxes because fo their unfortunate position. The highest 1% do not pay 45% taxes, some pay little to no taxes although most pay about 26%. It makes much more sense and is better for the community if the top 1$ pays inflated taxes.

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