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Krizaz
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As a native of Wisconsin, and my father being a state worker, I am very proud of how Wisconsin has acted over the past few weeks.

I have done various essays for school on these protest so I know the gist of it.

What it does
This bill strips nearly all collective baragining rights form state workers.
Wisconsin was the first state to get collective bargaining, by doing this Walker is try to erase Wisconsins proud history.
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I'll start form the begging of what I know.

On February 14, University of Madison student walked into the rotunda of the capitol protesting the bill Governor Walker was proposing.

On February 15, Multiple schools practiced walk outs protesting the bill.

On February 17, All 14 Wisconsin senators left, delaying a bill that needs a minimum of 20 senators. This sparked debate among the republican senators, sparking outcries among democratic senators. My opinion is that these senators did their job, by allowing democracy to happen instead of letting Walker jam through a bill destroying Wisconsin families.

From February all the way until March, the protest got bigger, reaching over 100,000 people. The weekend that the Tea-Party came there was actually very little violence if any, no arrest were made even past that point. There were very little Tea-Partiers, and at it;s hight about 2,000 tea partiers to the 65,000+ pro-teachers/union.
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Dirty Republicans

The scum of the earth republicans did eventually find a way to pass the non- fiscal part fo the bill, as the senate could have any number of senators to pass a non-fiscal bill. These people held a long secretive session in early March, stripping the fiscal parts of the bill and just passing the non-fiscal parts. Soon after this was passed thousands of protestors angrily took to the streets, pounding on Windows and other such things, I don't believe any arrest were made, but it was a very angry crowd of shocked people.

This act took only seconds to pass with a 18-1 vote, the lone nay was R-Dale Shultz, he earlier stated that he would vote against the bill, this action alone sparked the Dirty Republican party to try to oust him from the party.

The bill was also passed in the senate, but denied in the court by the Dane County judge. The Dirt Republican Party also found a way around this, they basically told the Judge to eff-off by writing a footnote that states the bill has to go in affect in 10 days.

There is much, much more to talk about and if this topic gets going I can say much more.

Fun Facts:
Many celebrities supported Wisconsin protestors.
No ads for Walker were run from inside Wisconsin associations.
David Koch funds Walker, what a ****.
Scott Walker was dropped out of Marquette for cheating.
Walker destroyed Milwaukee's economy and jobs just like he's doing now

Look. Walkers a idiot an if you don't think that, get out of America.

Home it it right for the rich to get richer, and the poor to get poorer... It makes no sense.

If you live in Wiscosin, get out to recall your Dirty Republican Senator/Assembly leader. [/b]And Scott Walker in 2012![b]

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CommanderDude7
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My largest class has 25 students in it. I live in a small town though, places like Madison and Milwaukee will be looking at 45 students per class, at that point it's like a college and no student will have any say in the classroom.

Most first year gen.-ed. college classes have 300+ students so 45 is not that bad.
There wouldn't be this drastic of an uproar if Walker and the rest of the republicans would at least listen to the other side of the argument. He is being an ignorant fool.

What arguments? All the senators left in a tantrum.
You don't meet many people in Wisconsin that agree with this bill and Walkers agenda.

Where the proof in this? He was voted in because people wanted him to do what he said he would, balance our ridiculous budget.
Which, if you dont't know anything about salaries is hardly anything.

It may be small but they pay either nothing for any of their benefits or pension.
Krizaz
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Most first year gen.-ed. college classes have 300+ students so 45 is not that bad.

In college your supposed to know what there telling you.
In school your supposed to be able to learn what they're teaching you.

What arguments? All the senators left in a tantrum.

A tantrum, from what they have said it sounded like a very tough decision. Walker was not willing to negotiate before and after the senators absence, therefor showing no respect fo the democrats or even listening to their opinion.

It may be small but they pay either nothing for any of their benefits or pension.


Before the union bill and the budget bill both private and state workers were making about the same. Now, because of his agenda, teachers and state workers will be making much less. Wisconsin and the country is becoming stupid because many young people do not see teaching as an option for raising a family anymore.

I don't see how you think that having a stupid society is a good idea.
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In college your supposed to know what there telling you.
In school your supposed to be able to learn what they're teaching you.

If thats all college is then why go at all if you already know what they are telling you.
A tantrum, from what they have said it sounded like a very tough decision. Walker was not willing to negotiate before and after the senators absence, therefor showing no respect fo the democrats or even listening to their opinion.

Id say the dems showed no respect for the democratic system by simply up and leaving.
Before the union bill and the budget bill both private and state workers were making about the same.

Of course they were. Especially when the private worker paid for the state worker's benefits and their pension. State workers pay 0% of their own pension.
I don't see how you think that having a stupid society is a good idea.

I dont see where this came from at all. Teachers dont look at becoming teachers for money they do it because they like to be teachers. When has teaching ever been a job people look at for raising families under.
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I dont see where this came from at all. Teachers dont look at becoming teachers for money they do it because they like to be teachers. When has teaching ever been a job people look at for raising families under.


As someone looking to be a teacher I'd like to address this.

It's true teachers do not make top dollars, yet it is a respected career, and a secure situation to be in. With proper management skills in money one could raise a family without worry.
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I like how nobody questions my argument on how taxing the rich will help Wisconsin.

CommanderDude7
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I like how nobody questions my argument on how taxing the rich will help Wisconsin.

The rich are being taxed so I dont see the argument really.
thestuntman
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I like how nobody questions my argument on how taxing the rich will help Wisconsin.

Because no one cares, and you're thread jacking. Stay on subject son. This is about the actual protests, not about libertarianism.

I basically just disproved Libertarianism right there.

why don't you "disprove" gravity while you're at it?
Kevin4762
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Because no one cares, and you're thread jacking. Stay on subject son. This is about the actual protests, not about libertarianism.


The thread took a turn into taxing the rich so I decided to stick my nose in it and make a point.

why don't you "disprove" gravity while you're at it?


Because gravity works and Libertarianism doesn't.
thestuntman
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Because gravity works and Libertarianism doesn't.


I was simply trying to point out that there is no real way to disprove it. Unless you've managed to run your own country following libertarian principles and have them fail, you can't really disprove it.
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I was simply trying to point out that there is no real way to disprove it. Unless you've managed to run your own country following libertarian principles and have them fail, you can't really disprove it.


Somalia. Actually, you can prove something is not the best for a country. Communism isn't the best, neither is anarchism.

Let me give you an analogy of what Libertarianism is. You are on an island with three other people. Libertarianism says every man for himself on separate parts of the island. Those who get the crappy part of the island are stuck with the crappy part. Those who are stuck with the part that has all the bananas and fruits, are stuck with the good part.

Now you're going to tell me that's fair?
thestuntman
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Now you're going to tell me that's fair?


Yeah I am. Because the crappy people if they felt so bad about it should go an try to take over the good part of the island. It's survival of the fittest. And you ran Somalia?
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Yeah I am. Because the crappy people if they felt so bad about it should go an try to take over the good part of the island. It's survival of the fittest. And you ran Somalia?


How can they? The people with the good part of the island built walls that are ten feet high and have ditches with wooden spikes at the bottom if you do manage to jump over the tower.
Kevin4762
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Oh yeah, and Somalia is Libertarian while Sweden is Socialist.

Notice something?

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I like how nobody questions my argument on how taxing the rich will help Wisconsin.


I basically just disproved Libertarianism right there.


You created assumptions that the rich will become so powerful that they will take advantage of the poor. You completely ignore competition and assume that all rich people are working together rather than competing with each other. You create a rich vs. poor society that does not exist.

Because the expenses that would be covered by the government, have to be payed for individually.


The government pays for your health care using YOUR money. The government pays for your education using YOUR money.

Now why does the price of goods drop? Because the government is not there regulate it.


The reason prices for some products are high is because it costs a lot in resources to make those products. Businesses also want to make a profit so they can expand, pay their workers, pay their bills, and give themselves a pay check. If you want to get ahead in business, you offer the best goods at the cheapest prices. This is how prices lower. Politicians do not have the knowledge of how much it costs to create a good, let alone the cost of paying workers and the bills accumulated through production.

Now, taxing the rich would promote business since that money from the rich can be used to help small companies, the competition of the larger, richer companies. Basically, take money from the big businesses and give to the small businesses.


Taking money from one business and giving it to another does not &quotromote" business. Understand, small businesses are not always run very well. In fact, most of the time they go under because they don't sell a product or service that people want or the business is poorly managed. So here's my conclusion as to why you can't give smaller businesses profit made from big businesses.

1. There's no guarantee the small business will become successful if you dump money into it. This means that the money put in could very well be wasted.

2. We shouldn't spend other people's money. If you believe a small business will work, you should put the money in yourself or persuade others to put money in. You should not use legislation to take money from big businesses and give to businesses that you personally favor.

3. Even if a small business does enough to keep from going under, it is not doing so because of it's own profit. It is staying afloat only because they are getting benefits. If a business can not make money using their own profit, they are a liability.

You can't assume smaller businesses are better than bigger businesses.

Why is it hard for small businesses to compete with big businesses? Big businesses work with politicians to create business regulations that smaller businesses can not afford. This is why we need less government in business.

See what I did there? That is why government budget cuts never work.


You didn't really do anything. You created an assumption, which you can't say proves anything. It's like writing a book where you try to prove/disprove something, and all the sources come from other books you have written.

If you want to say "This is evidence", you should provide real examples.
thestuntman
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How can they? The people with the good part of the island built walls that are ten feet high and have ditches with wooden spikes at the bottom if you do manage to jump over the tower.


Posting with alternate accounts I see.
Then they die, and life keeps on going. And the rich get richer.

Oh yeah, and Somalia is Libertarian while Sweden is Socialist.


The USSR was socialist, are you telling me it would be fun to live there?
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