Agnostics basically say, there is no way to proove the existence or the nonexistence of a deity. They can be absolutely sure about how they feel about it nonetheless.
interesting, so does anyone know what the word for someone who is undecided of their spiritual beliefs
agnostic.
Will I get banned If I insult the **** out of qwerty so he sees my point? because my point is; insults = wrong. thats simple enough for everybody to understand
It'll probably be censored and being called a *************************************************************************************************************************** isn't the same. And why does stating the truth mean you are wrong. If you are wrong and people say you are wrong and try and convince you you say they are insulting you. And so many christians insult me like pyro so why can't I?
all these topics are basically pointless though, atheists call others closed minded when often many are themselves and religious people say they are not open to new ideas as that is the nature of faith they believe despite evidence despite logic despite rational arguments, but thats what religion is, its the immovable object and atheism is the irresistable force, religion may seem mad to you (and me at times) and atheism may seem stupid and wrong to religious types, but your never gonna convert each other
But some will be converted. And very few will reconvert. And some of the theist children will convert. So atheism will only grow.
*yawns* so dear atheists, you have again showed your true face. One named a Christian "throwing tantrums", another said "closed-minded", and yet another said "roven wrong". And neither gave a point to back their words. So far I have heard tantrums from qwerty1011, attempts at trolling from Avorne, accusations of closed-mindedness from E1337, and restrained self from replying with a hostile tongue. So I should warn you, even God does not have infinite patience.
WAAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAAAAAH! you is mean.
No seriously please show me a tantrum. And infinite patience is a power which an omnipotent being should have. And closeminded seems adequate to describe someone who believes in sucha complex theory with absolutely no verifiable evidence that can be proven to have been made by their god and no other. And then out of 35000 branches of christianity they find one and say it is infallibly right. And then WE are called closeminded. And you say that WE need to provide proof. The only proof you have provided is fatima which doesn't prove your branch out of 35000 and isn't even necessarily true.
wow, an interesting opinion. You have basically reliterated the old philosophical question, "what will happen if an all-crushing cannonball will collide with an unbreakable wall". So far my position here that wall will stand, since the cannonball isn't indestructible, the same with the whole atheism vs religion.
All god has to do is reach down and crush the cannonball. Why doesn't he since it helps stop other sheep from straying from his flock. And your wall has no foundations of proof to support it. The cannonball is propelled by logic.
but when it comes to matter of divine, you grasp to the word "scientifical" and say "no proof made", as others seem to do. I can be turned in regard of the mundane if I'd be presented a scientific explanation of something, but you haven't yet given me anything to shake the grounds of my belief, and you haven't given any to other believers around this topic or Christianity FTW.
Why should your god exist if he is not needed it is your job to provide the proof to convert us to your branch of christianity. As far as I can see you can't.
yawns* so dear atheists, you have again showed your true face.
You hopefully aren't putting all atheists all behind one face, are you?
Well then all christians have the face of a pedo priest
Your use of agnostics fails. I guess what you wanted to say was undecided people. Because, agnostics can be theists as well as atheists, and can be very certain of their own position. It doesn't say anything about how undecided they are.
Agnostics are by definition not sure if god exists or not. This means they are de facto not theist or atheist.
as i said the christian argument is that god shoulkdnt need to show he is there, those who stray from the flock dont deserve to go to heaven, and my analogy was saying that no matter how riiculous religion may seem its nver going to go away, and your missing the point yes peopelw ill be converted but none will be converted here
Wait - why am I being accused of trolling? I was merely pointing out that having absolute faith in something and decrying all other information and possibilities is a close-minded and stupid thing to do. I'd re-evaluate my opinions if sufficient evidence was given to prove some facet of my beliefs wrong and it pains me to see people who close themselves off so totally from other possibilities.
[quote]interesting, so does anyone know what the word for someone who is undecided of their spiritual beliefs
agnostic.[/quote] Wrong. You're welcome to read my previous posts if you want to know why.
Agnostics are by definition not sure if god exists or not. This means they are de facto not theist or atheist.
Your definition of agnostic is strange. Agnostics don't know if there is a god or not, while gnostics say they know that there is a god or not. Being agnostic has not to do with being sure or not, or believing in a deity or not; it has to do with knowing or not. There are gnostic theists, agnostic theists, gnostic ("strong" atheists, and agnostic ("weak" atheists.
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. 2.a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion. 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
you will nevr be able to grasp faith as your mind is too logical, theists will never accept your logic as they have a faith you cannot understand
I understand that as a result of brainwashing they can't break away from their conditioning and accept that there is no god. What is there not to understand.
Your definition of agnostic is strange. Agnostics don't know if there is a god or not, while gnostics say they know that there is a god or not. Being agnostic has not to do with being sure or not, or believing in a deity or not; it has to do with knowing or not. There are gnostic theists, agnostic theists, gnostic ("strong" atheists, and agnostic ("weak" atheists
An agnostic can either say we do not know yet that God doesn't exist or exists or say we shall never know. Either way they cannot be a theist or atheist since a theist says god exists and an atheist says God doesn't exist. Take AV here in the UK. People are for and against and some don't know. The people who don't know are effectively agnostics and this doesn't mean that they are for or against but that they will probably stay at home and not vote.
If your answer to "do you believe in god" is "I don't know" then your an agnostic atheist.
@qwerty1011: you seem to think that there are three possibilities: atheist, agnostic, and theist. This is not the case; you basically decide between theist or atheist, and then between gnostic and agnostic (theist: belief in a god; atheist: no belief in a god. It's a yes or no question, not a how-much-do-you-believe one). I finally came to think that there are no purely undecided people; we are all either atheists or theists to some degree. The undecided are therefore agnostic theists and agnostic atheists. Can you agree with that?
If your answer to "do you believe in god" is "I don't know" then your an agnostic atheist.
So if I answer to that question, "No, I'm convinced there is none", am I a gnostic atheist then?
You hopefully aren't putting all atheists all behind one face, are you?
Yes I'm not, I wrote names of those who did bad. There are atheists of all kinds, including those who are about to convert or honestly considering if there's some truth behind religion
And infinite patience is a power which an omnipotent being should have.
Interesting point, but it's based on a false assumption that if God is almighty He should tolerate anything and everything.
The only proof you have provided is fatima which doesn't prove your branch out of 35000 and isn't even necessarily true.
Why should a miracle probe a branch of Christianity? It's enough that it proves God, and Christianity in general - at least is intended to prove this to everyone.
I was merely pointing out that having absolute faith in something and decrying all other information and possibilities is a close-minded and stupid thing to do
Okay, I was merely pointing that you have not yet provided a cast-iron proof that something happened without God making a thing for it to happen. Even when it comes to a pencil falling to the floor if thrown down.
