The question is simple. Should Israel exist. I know that this subject is very controversial so I am setting some "ground rules." 1. Because Israel is so tied into Judaism, NO ANTI-SEMETIC COMMENTS 2. Please back up your reasoning with facts 3. Respect other's opinions. I cannot tell you how many times I have been on CNN and seen people flinging mud at each other. BE RESPECTFUL!
I am looking forward to seeing the posts and logic behind the opinions.
Please give me a link to a map where a country of Palestine is listed. There never was a sovereign country of Palestine. The word is taken from what the Romans called that area, Palestina. Therefore, logically, Palestinians cannot be from the country of Palestine, but from the region, meaning that they most likely came from Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon.
They only allowed a small amount and since other countries would barely take them they needed somewhere to go after the holocaust.
Yes I am well versed in the history surrounding the British Empire and its dealings. Keep in mind that before America, Britain was the nation who tried to police the world.
I agree that many needed a place to go, for the rest of Europe, neither East nor West, wanted the survivors, nor did the Americas, however, good intentions and well meaning did not give Britain the right.
Yes, I do realize that. But it's no the people of Palestine who did the Holocaust, it was the Germans.
But the Jews don't want Germany.
On the topic of land loss, country's have lost and gained land since the beginning of civilization. It doesn't belong to one country because they probably took it from someone to start with.
On the topic of land loss, country's have lost and gained land since the beginning of civilization. It doesn't belong to one country because they probably took it from someone to start with.
By that logic, World War 2 was justified? Aside from the holocaust, that is.
No, but I like to think that nations today have gotten past that whole war starting nonsense. Well, most of them, at least.
Obviously you still have faith in humanity. Just kidding but just because you think we are better then nations from hundreds of years ago, doesn't mean we are. They could have been thinking the same thing back then. Do you think the people in the 1930-1940 think that anyone could ever kill millions of people brutally for no reason? Do you think America shouldn't exist because we took it from nations that took it from Indians? Just because mass amount of lands being taken hasn't happened in extremely recent history doesn't mean it won't happen again.
Do you think the people in the 1930-1940 think that anyone could ever kill millions of people brutally for no reason?
No, but at least when it did, the surrounding nations fought back to stop it.
Do you think America shouldn't exist because we took it from nations that took it from Indians?
This happened too long ago for it to be changed now. What happened in Palestine was less than a century ago, by people who should've known better.
Just because mass amount of lands being taken hasn't happened in extremely recent history doesn't mean it won't happen again.
I'd like to think that the increased cooperation between countries in recent years, and things like the UN, would prevent this from happening. Basically, I think/hope that suddenly attacking a nation with the purpose of taking their land would cause the rest of the world to assist the victim.
P.S. your problem is that your seeing history as if we are better then people in the past. We're not. In 300 years people will look back at us and think "we won't make the same mistakes as them" and then in 600 years they will think the same thing.
"who should've known better". Why should they have known better.
The UN. They gave away land that was inhabited, and that was a big fail.
Why are people now less ignorant than back then?
I never said they are. In fact, I sort of implied the opposite when saying they should've known better.
And yet the UN gave it to the jews.
Yes, even though they had no right to.
And how was the situation with America any different? Do you think people back then weren't as angry about America as people now are about Israel?
Of course they were. And what happened back then was wrong as well. But it's too late to change now. It's too late to remove Israel as well.
What I've been saying is that they do have the right to exist, but it was wrong to give them land that was already occupied. I don't expect them to be thrown out now, but I don't see how people can claim they're the victims here. Especially with that whole situation in the Gaza strip.
P.S. your problem is that your seeing history as if we are better then people in the past.
That's not at all what I think. I was saying that due to cooperation between countries and international organizations, it would be a lot harder to start wars for selfish reasons.
For example, if a European country started a war against another European country, I'm pretty sure the rest of Europe would stop that war relatively quickly. I think that in a not too distant future, the situation will be the same on a global scale. Though, seeing as how you're from a country which goes to war every decade or two, you might find it hard to believe that there are places where people don't have to worry about wars.
