The question is simple. Should Israel exist. I know that this subject is very controversial so I am setting some "ground rules." 1. Because Israel is so tied into Judaism, NO ANTI-SEMETIC COMMENTS 2. Please back up your reasoning with facts 3. Respect other's opinions. I cannot tell you how many times I have been on CNN and seen people flinging mud at each other. BE RESPECTFUL!
I am looking forward to seeing the posts and logic behind the opinions.
I never said they are. In fact, I sort of implied the opposite when saying they should've known better.
It sounded like you said the people involved with the palestine situation 60 years ago should have known better than the people involved with the American situation 300 years ago.
Yes, even though they had no right to.
I may be mistaken but doesn't the UN require majority of the country's votes to pass something? If that is true then over 50% of the world believed that this was alright to do.
Of course they were. And what happened back then was wrong as well. But it's too late to change now. It's too late to remove Israel as well.
So people should stop trying. Israel is a completely developed country that has made huge developments in science and has saved many lives.
So i take it your answer to the question is that Israel should have the right to exist in its current state, but you don't believe this is the way Israel should have existed because it was wrongfully taken.
Though, seeing as how you're from a country which goes to war every decade or two, you might find it hard to believe that there are places where people don't have to worry about wars.
I couldn't tell you a single fact about a way America was in after WWII. I have nothing to worry about because no fighting is taking place here. It's not like I'm worrying about the war every single day (or ever), I barely even remember its going on.
I'm pretty sure the rest of Europe would stop that war relatively quickly
So people should stop trying. Israel is a completely developed country that has made huge developments in science and has saved many lives.
So i take it your answer to the question is that Israel should have the right to exist in its current state, but you don't believe this is the way Israel should have existed because it was wrongfully taken.
I believe it shouldn't have been created that way, but now that it is, we can't just remove it.
That doesn't, however, change the situation in the Gaza strip, or the fact that they now have much more land than they were originally given. Israel is oppressing Palestinians, regardless of what research they have made. This means we shouldn't just ignore the situation either.
P.S. your problem is that your seeing history as if we are better then people in the past. We're not. In 300 years people will look back at us and think "we won't make the same mistakes as them" and then in 600 years they will think the same thing.
He's right. We never learn from our mistakes. Humans are good at hiding from truth.
For all who keep bringing up the UN's stance on the Palestinians let me again remind you that the US has veto power in the UN Security Counciland is able to block resolutions it opposes, and it has frequently vetoed resolutions critical of Israel's actions that do not comply with the Negroponte doctrine.
Regardless if you believe the US is a hegemonic regulator (which it clearly is) or not the fact still stand that the US still has a large say on the matter.
I live in Israel and I think that Israel is existing miraculously. Arabs all want Israel, and Israel is surrounded by Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Gaza, etc. which is all Arabs,
if they decide to start a war with israel were gone.
But Red, the General Council created Israel and will most likely create a Palestine in the fall. We don't have veto there.
If you don't understand the Negroponte Doctrine I suggest you look it up. Here you can see what exactly it is:
The General Council CAN'T make a Palestine until the US is on board because making a Palestine would interfere with Israel on a critical level and therefor the United States has power to step in.
One thing that buggers me is that on one side, Hamas are making a kind of political and holy war against Israel, and on the other side Israel, in their fight against 'terrorists', supportet by the US as it seems, fight back the entire palestinian population; at least that's the impression I get, especially when I see how Israel is restricting and controlling goods transport in the Gaza stripe.
I have found an article that I think can be quite interesting for one or few points made here. I cannot guarantee whether this site is biased or not, but it sounded ok, so here's the link.
I have found an article that I think can be quite interesting for one or few points made here. I cannot guarantee whether this site is biased or not, but it sounded ok, so here's the link.
I didn't read all of it, but even though I support the liberation of the Palestinians in the Gaza strip, and the return of their land, I can't help but wonder what will happen to the Israelis if the Arab countries unite against them. And if Palestine gets all of their land back, will Israel end up in the situation Palestine is in today?
I'm not saying it's a bad thing that they fight back. To be honest, in a way, this is technically the UN's fault for putting Israel there in the first place.
