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don't know if you're trying to keep a constructive argument going, or if you're scrounging for an excuse to win

Except the jewish concept is mentioned in the bible, and it's not something in between heaven and hell.

ahem Tartarus is there for people who follow Satan, who find "God" to be a malicious diety who casts plagues, crusades, inquisitions, and floods on any who do not follow him. just look at Sodom and Gomorrah!

Anyway, Hail Satan, long live eternal pleasure, live life while you can.

-Chillz, Your Friendly Neighborhood Satanist

Since when do satanists mix christianity with helenism? 0.o Tartarus is a place (the deepest and worst) and a deity in greek mythology. You call hell tartarus, and yet use it for a place of eternal pleasure? That's mixed up as can be..

Yeah, at this point I wonder why he keeps modifying and distorcying Christianity instead of just creating his own god.

The modern church has twisted the bible way too much.
Actually according to the bible, hell is a place of resting. Job, who had hardship thrust upon him, even once prayed to God to go there. If it was truly a torture pit he would have never asked for it. He wanted rest.
Death is the reprimand for sin which is born into all mankind.
In nearly all religions before the modern church was established, hell was never a bad place. Egyptians even made instructions for how to traverse the path to the glorious underworld.
There is no torture after death.

Actually according to the bible, hell is a place of resting. Job, who had hardship thrust upon him, even once prayed to God to go there. If it was truly a torture pit he would have never asked for it. He wanted rest.

In nearly all religions before the modern church was established, hell was never a bad place. Egyptians even made instructions for how to traverse the path to the glorious underworld.
There is no torture after death.

The modern church has twisted the bible way too much.

Actually according to the bible, hell is a place of resting.

f it was truly a torture pit he would have never asked for it.

Egyptians even made instructions for how to traverse the path to the glorious underworld.
[quote] Egyptians even made instructions for how to traverse the path to the glorious underworld.

Actually according to the bible, hell is a place of resting. Job, who had hardship thrust upon him, even once prayed to God to go there. If it was truly a torture pit he would have never asked for it. He wanted rest.

So this was just another twisting of words.

[quote]The word int he Old Testament that was translated as hell was actually sheol, meaning grave, pit, or abyss. So this was just another twisting of words.

look god puts people in hell so that they can exist what would you rather do rest enternally or not exist.

This post is very long sorry!
@HahiHa
Do you recall the lord's prayer? The part where it says "(Your/thy) kingdom come, (your/thy) will be done on earth as it is in heaven" means the earth itself will become a paradise mirroring heaven. This obviously hasn't happened yet. Some time after the apocalypse God will raise up the souls worthy enough to experience everlasing life. Many will live on earth in peace without war or crime or sickness and the 144,000 will go to heaven to live with God in paradise.
I agree that there was a condition on egyptian beliefs of death but it was the fact that they looked forward to being accepted into the underworld/hell.
@indie55
I don't want to offend anyone (probably too late for that) but the root twisting of the bible seems to come from the Roman Catholic Church. They started the "evil hell" perspective in order to get money. Basically they said "donate to god through us and you will not be tortured later". However I recall a bible story where people were profiting from teaching about God and Jesus himself turned over their tables where they were keeping the money. The "trinity" belief is disproved because Jesus himself denied to know the time of the end stating something to the effect of "Only the Father knows". Why would a man who cannot lie say that he dosen't know if he and the Father are one and the same?
You are one of the few people who also agrees that the bible says hell is for resting instead of torture.
You stated "You can't be tortured if you're dead", however the RCC claims that it is "spiritual torture" not physical. I'm trying to explain as best I can that they only say that in order to get money. It is a shrewd business plan. Fear is a powerful influence.
As for the Egyptian thing I only meant that they looked forward to the underworld/hell.

Do you recall the lord's prayer? The part where it says "(Your/thy) kingdom come, (your/thy) will be done on earth as it is in heaven" means the earth itself will become a paradise mirroring heaven. This obviously hasn't happened yet. Some time after the apocalypse God will raise up the souls worthy enough to experience everlasing life. Many will live on earth in peace without war or crime or sickness and the 144,000 will go to heaven to live with God in paradise.

I don't want to offend anyone (probably too late for that) but the root twisting of the bible seems to come from the Roman Catholic Church. They started the "evil hell" perspective in order to get money.

look god puts people in hell so that they can exist what would you rather do rest enternally or not exist.

I agree with the above posts about she'ol being twisted to mean a torturous hell.

Also, to clarify, you will not be raised up like a zombie in the form of a decrepid body. It is apparent that Jesus did not return in the same form after his resurrection because people he knew did not recognize his new form.

Oh! Another lie from the RCC was the cross. Yes, their most prominent symbol to remind people of Christ was (and is) actually a Pagan symbol that had nothing to do with Jesus. He was not killed on a cross with his arms spread, but a torture stake (a singular pillar by the old meaning) with his arms tacked above his head. (I hope the Image link works)