ForumsWEPRif god is all forgiving, why is there hell

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brp47
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im an athiest and never understood why if god forgives everyone then why dose he send people to hell

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MageGrayWolf
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Keep in mind the bible isn't 100% correct. It's been translated and retranslated for over 2000 years, plus there is all the different versions.

Plus, the bible isn't always literal, nor is it always metaphorical. What if the lake of fire is a metaphor? And how do we know that the Thessalonians scripture hasn't been mistranslated?


Which version do you prefer and I will pull it out of that one. How about Greek the original language "tisousin olethron aiÅnion".

Anyway this is besides the point, you said it wasn't in there, there it is. So accuracy or if it's a metaphor or not makes no difference. It's in there!
grimml
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-he had teams of people constantly searching for the holy grail (which he thought would contain pure aryan blood, and unlimited
power)

he did however, hate christianity and atheism, which may be misunderstood for being antireligious


Isn't the holy grail legend a Christian myth?
deth4
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Isn't the holy grail legend a Christian myth?


wouldnt taking a christian relic of great power and claiming it to himself be the ultimate slap in the face?
jackmister00
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wouldnt taking a christian relic of great power and claiming it to himself be the ultimate slap in the face?
Yes but there is no way a man like that would ever even see it.
Foraker
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Hell is there for to make the people scared.
No one wants to end up there. So it was one of the tools, to get the people into the church, and to keep them there.

jackmister00
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Hell is there for to make the people scared.
No one wants to end up there. So it was one of the tools, to get the people into the church, and to keep them there.

It's where the people who do not ask for forgiveness and do not follow god go, if a person completely ignores god and doesn't ask for forgiveness for his sins, how would god forgive him?
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I haven't really read anyone else's comments here, so forgive me if I am saying something that has already been said.

Basically, from what I understand, Hell is not for those that have been naughty, but for those that simply do not choose God.

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It just occurred to me, even thought the sources for "God is all forgiving" given on page 2 were both from the new testament, I just remembered that it kind of applies to the Jewish view of hell. Jew's believe that you go to hell, while there your soul gets &quoturified", then after a maximum of 12 months, you go to heaven.

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It just occurred to me, even thought the sources for "God is all forgiving" given on page 2 were both from the new testament, I just remembered that it kind of applies to the Jewish view of hell. Jew's believe that you go to hell, while there your soul gets &quoturified", then after a maximum of 12 months, you go to heaven.


It at least makes more sense than eternal punishment if god was all forgiving. But why 12 months? Seems like you're just applying a human concept of time to god.
master565
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It at least makes more sense than eternal punishment if god was all forgiving. But why 12 months? Seems like you're just applying a human concept of time to god.


Truthfully, i have no idea. I don't think it's a rule that it has to be 12 months, it could be less, but I'm pretty sure it's more of the widely believed time range that someone can be there for.
MageGrayWolf
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It's where the people who do not ask for forgiveness and do not follow god go, if a person completely ignores god and doesn't ask for forgiveness for his sins, how would god forgive him?


Quite easy, I could even forgive someone who completely ignores me and doesn't ask for my forgiveness. So basically I, a human, can do something God apparently can't. Also wasn't the whole blood sacrifice suppose to be Gods way of saying "You're forgiven" but yet we still have to keep apologizing. Not to mention we are having to apologize for something we never even did ourselves and what was done was merely gaining knowledge to know not to do what we did.

Basically, from what I understand, Hell is not for those that have been naughty, but for those that simply do not choose God.


According to most of Christianity not choosing God is naughty.

I just remembered that it kind of applies to the Jewish view of hell. Jew's believe that you go to hell, while there your soul gets &quoturified", then after a maximum of 12 months, you go to heaven.


So basically it's like purgatory.
master565
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So basically it's like purgatory.


I think so, I don't know much about purgatory.
sprooschicken
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purgatory is basically the same, its something the catholic church made up even though its not in the bible

master565
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purgatory is basically the same, its something the catholic church made up even though its not in the bible


Except the jewish concept is mentioned in the bible, and it's not something in between heaven and hell.
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Yes but there is no way a man like that would ever even see it.


I don't know if you're trying to keep a constructive argument going, or if you're scrounging for an excuse to win

either way, you won't
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