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MindSucker
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I dont know why people believe in them, there wasn't a miracle NEVER the history about jesus is only a story we dont know if the miracles are real and, has he ever done nothing for you? no I'm Atheist and nothing happened to me in my life.

My parent injected me the religion, but when i grew up i became an atheist because i thought at that, i never went more to the church and nothing happened to me besides the fact that i dont need more to go to the church on sunday morning (Muahhauahh)

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Fluid
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No, this is a matter of science. This is not opinion.


If you just look at the question of the thread your point is valid. But this sort of threads always inevitably shifts into, as was stated before, "Atheism vs. Religion" mode, and that particular choice between atheism and religion is what I consider a matter of personal opinion.

Why else would you post without anything to say rather than stating your own insane philosophy?


The desire to tone down senseless arguments does not seem so insane to me, though it may be futile. I'm a pacifist and when I see a fight I automatically try to put an end to it in favor of civilized discussion. When people start telling each other to cut their wrists you know things are going the wrong way. I admit that I didn't bring anything new to the question at hand, but there's nothing much left to bring anyway. Forgive me for trying to put the nail in the coffin.

As for mage's post, there are many non-religious opinions that can lead to bad things too. That's why we have laws. If a person is breaking a law by abiding to a religion, then either the religion is not accepted by the state, or the law is not right (which leads to a whole new line of discussion). In case it's not the latter, such dangerous religions should be dealt with by education and law enforcement. I doubt this thread educated anyone who that was that far off the course of reason, but even if it did it stopped being productive for quite a number of posts (including mine).
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If you just look at the question of the thread your point is valid. But this sort of threads always inevitably shifts into, as was stated before, "Atheism vs. Religion" mode, and that particular choice between atheism and religion is what I consider a matter of personal opinion.


That is a matter of science, not personal opinion. "Reality V.S stories" isn't a matter of personal opinion. No more than saying "Unicorns vs Aunicornest" is a matter of personal opinion, or gravity is a matter of personal opinion.

The desire to tone down senseless arguments does not seem so insane to me, though it may be futile


It is, considering by avoiding this forum you could avoid the things you seem to be annoyed by. If you are afraid of the enemy, don't go on border patrol.

I'm a pacifist and when I see a fight I automatically try to put an end to it in favor of civilized discussion.


You call this a fight? "I think unicorns exist" "No, you are an idiot. Shut up and go in the corner" isn't a fight. It is a discussion.

When people start telling each other to cut their wrists you know things are going the wrong way.


If you are afraid of the enemy...

I admit that I didn't bring anything new to the question at hand, but there's nothing much left to bring anyway.


So you are just spamming. Go sit in the corner and think about what you have done.
MageGrayWolf
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As for mage's post, there are many non-religious opinions that can lead to bad things too.


The good things that is claimed to be brought by religion can be done so with out religions and we can avoid instances such as the one I pointed out.

That's why we have laws. If a person is breaking a law by abiding to a religion, then either the religion is not accepted by the state, or the law is not right (which leads to a whole new line of discussion).


And what of the laws that have been made catering to religion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law
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@Mage, You're post about the baby girl was very interesting, I actually did not know that there were laws preventing people from allowing "healing by faith".
As far as the thread is concerned, I believe people believe in because everyone (to an extent) needs to place faith in something or someone. And most people simply find it easiest to do in a publicly accepted (and government protected) faith pool known as God. I do agree with 314d1, it is a manner of scientific analysis to me, but I think how one views the argument (me seeing it as a scientific matter) is in fact purely opinionated.

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Oh my... sorry for double posting but I HAVE to announce that I meant to put "your". I know the difference... >_<

Frenzied321
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I love these debates i use them to better my arguments of faith here is some food for thought. If you look back in history way back white males dominated everything so then is it a coincindence that god is pictured as a white male. also the bible is not a holy book it was created in roman times 100 years after constaine a man who wanted a bible (check spelling) he changed christanity to heaven and hell to get more converts when it was orginally reincarnation. Also the earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old according to the good book its 12,000 now religon was used to place undersatnding before science like getting sick means you sinned. now with science religon is dying out because they offer no concrete evidence like science (evolution, dating methods) and think this, heaven is so good and you are a devote follower why not kill yourself to go there? the hard part in athiesism is not disproving religon or god its making the religous believe it because they are brainwashed to be stubborn. also if prayer worked everbody would be rich and nobody would die.
in religons defense the unicors they talk about are not the horses they are rhino like creatures unicorn = one horn = rhinos = unicorn

MageGrayWolf
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As far as the thread is concerned, I believe people believe in because everyone (to an extent) needs to place faith in something or someone.


What are you talking about when you say faith here? There is faith as in belief without evidence, which is what we have with religion. Then there is faith such as a loyalty to a friend, which can be based on inductive reasoning.
The former I don't see as being needed.

he changed christanity to heaven and hell to get more converts when it was orginally reincarnation.


I don't think I've heard this one before, care to provide some reference material?
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ATHEISM RULES. I have no commitment and can agree with science i really agree with qwerty1011. My parents tried that but they tried it too late ahhaha

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So you are just spamming.


Perhaps I am. Again. But while I can ignore insults i can't ignore a closed mind, so I feel the need to make one thing clear. (btw, being an atheist does not alone make you open minded).

That is a matter of science, not personal opinion. "Reality V.S stories" isn't a matter of personal opinion. No more than saying "Unicorns vs Aunicornest" is a matter of personal opinion, or gravity is a matter of personal opinion.


You presume that religion is a lie. Your assumption is probable in most cases, but you can't claim with certainty that there are no such things as deities. And you can't prove or disprove it either. Not at the moment, at least. Take, for instance, string theory vs. loop quantum gravity. Can you say which one of those two theories best display the actual state? Someday someone might be able to, but right now you can't. Same thing with gods. If you can't disprove them, you have to (or rather should) be open to the possibility that you may be, in fact, wrong.
Personally, I'm a part of no religion and I pray to no god. But I don't know if a god exists, so I keep myself open for both possibilities. I can normally interact with religious people and have many religious friends, and I don't impose my opinion over them as long as they don't try to do the same to me. I don't know how religion has hurt you in the past, but here where I live religion is not the bane of the world and the ultimate stupidity as you show it to be, but rather a life style. A simple moral framework for everyday life. A choice equal to any other. A matter of personal opinion.
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Mage, tried finding the article but there is so much crap on the internet i cant find it i read it months ago so for now you can scratch that off because i have no immediate evidence to support it

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You presume that religion is a lie. Your assumption is probable in most cases, but you can't claim with certainty that there are no such things as deities. And you can't prove or disprove it either.


Let's say we have a switch. When we press this switch, a light turns on. We can see that the switch completes a circuit, which allows the electricity to turn on the lightbulb. Now, electricity follows the path of least resistance, and has it's own rules. We COULD say that a god is causing these laws to happen, but as there is no proof of this, but there IS proof that the electricity flows according to how it is, why would we say there's a god? Religion is an old, old, old form of how we used to explain things because we did not know how the world worked. Person born with 6 fingers? Must be god. Tornado? God is angry. Recovery from a very deadly disease? God. This just isn't the case. Trying to disprove God is impossible, as it claims to exist outside of reality. You cannot observe outside of reality or test it, as it is not real. The same goes for trying to disprove if any mythical thing exists, just claim it's a law unto itself and bang, you're all set. Sure there "could" be a God, but with what we know now, that God only put into the universe all of the components, and it is all self run. There is no reason to assume that there is a god.
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as it claims to exist outside of reality. You cannot observe outside of reality or test it, as it is not real.


Since existing outside of reality equates to not real we don't have to go any further in testing, it's already by definition non existent as it's not real.
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Perhaps I am. Again. But while I can ignore insults i can't ignore a closed mind, so I feel the need to make one thing clear. (btw, being an atheist does not alone make you open minded).


Lets have an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out. You seem to have your brains spread on the floor more than could be accomplished if you had used an Ak-47.

You presume that religion is a lie.


That is not an assumption. That is a statement based on research done of the scriptures of various religions and more so research into reality. After all this research, I can say with great certainty there is no god. Especially not the abrhamic god.

Your assumption is probable in most cases, but you can't claim with certainty that there are no such things as deities


Yes, I can and I do.

And you can't prove or disprove it either.


Its called the burden of proof. Assumptions stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, perhaps you should stay awake in science class at some point.

Not at the moment, at least. Take, for instance, string theory vs. loop quantum gravity. Can you say which one of those two theories best display the actual state? Someday someone might be able to, but right now you can't.


Maybe it was like that before we have searched the stars and lived in huts spearing each other with stone implements. But we have advanced far beyond the point where we could even consider the possibility of a deity. They told us Zeus was in the sky, causing the rain. We are in the sky now, and they are wrong. They told us Yahweh was in the sky, or "The Heavens". We have searched the heavens quite thoroughly and have found no god. Where is your god now?

If you can't disprove them, you have to (or rather should) be open to the possibility that you may be, in fact, wrong.


That is not how science works. You must have proof before it can be destroyed, and before you can be taken seriously. I would sincerely hope if you came to your local hospital and claimed that you where a necromancer here to revive the dead patients, you would be laughed out or checked in to a mental ward. (Which, by the way, the bible has. One of the many things that state it doesn't exist, the lack of existence of necromancers."

Personally, I'm a part of no religion and I pray to no god. But I don't know if a god exists, so I keep myself open for both possibilities.


We have sailed the stars, smashed atoms to pieces, and have discovered many of the secrets of the universe. You can't just pretend that stories have a chance, or we would have scientists looking for the locness monster and unicorns (Unicorns joining necromancers in the Bible, different chapters but same thing really).

I don't know how religion has hurt you in the past, but here where I live religion is not the bane of the world and the ultimate stupidity as you show it to be, but rather a life style.


Do you happen to live on a planet in some far of galaxy? Religion causes wars. We are in a war now because of religion. Wars across time have been tainted by religion. Homosexuals can't marry because a bronze age moron said so. A life style that should end.

http://www.ussartf.org/images/ATT390715.jpg

A simple moral framework for everyday life


No one gets their morals from a book, they put their own morals into the book.

A choice equal to any other. A matter of personal opinion.


This isn't a choice, you do not get to chose what reality is. Its like saying "You know, gravity is such an annoying thing. I am just going to say that it doesn't exist, that is my personal opinion. So now I can fly around like Peter Pan!". The universe doesn't work like that.
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But I don't know if a god exists, so I keep myself open for both possibilities.


"It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out." â" Carl Sagan
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Religon isn't what causes wars, people do. If someone really wanted to kill someone else they could still do it even without a gun. We are humans and whenever we feel like we need to do something we find a way to do it. Without religon people would have found another excuse to have war. Religon is also a cause for getting people to follow a moral standard. If the laws arn't too important to you maybe religon is. It also gathers people of a like belife and gives them hope. Which is another thing people feel like they need. So even if religon is an outlet for things it doesn't make it bad. That makes it a tool. And tools arn't bad or good, they just do whatever job we make for them. We conrol them and choose what to do with them. So if bad things are happening we need to change the people, not the tools. If a christian is homophobic then making him atheist won't nessisarily change it. But making him see that they are regular people probably will. Sorry my post is so long, just my thoughts about the situation.

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