I have done this type of thread on other gaming sites, but none of them wanted to take a stance on this issue. Let me try it here, where civilized people are.
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Now for the actual discussion.
We see it every-so-often. Another person has been bullied so badly that he/she has committed suicide. What were they being bullied about? They were being told they were gay.<-I hope this isn't going to be starred out. Nothing wrong with that word.
Why are we so afraid of being gay? When you go back in time, you can easily see that we have been afraid of many different things.
1500's---We were afraid of Jews.
The beginning of black slavery in America-1970's-- That certain word was used on African Americans.
1950's---If you were called a communist, you had no future.
2000-present--- If you're gay, you're a target.
This isn't a new trend. But why do we demonize others?! Aren't we human beings? Aren't we smarter than this!?
Until we learn that we are all EQUAL, nothing will change. I would like to hope that we could start here.
No matter what religion or political stance you have, remember one VERY important rule: Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.
Please comment as to why you think we demonize people. Also, please give out ideas on how we can shut down people who hate others (examples above).
the south park was a joke but the example was that from my exp bullies who harass "gays" the ones who l8r figure out they are gay themselves are to guilty to accept it.
or you cold just say YES when i asked you if you were sarcastic... i did warn you that i never get sarcasm. also not all people have to hate someone all the time. im sure there are many people who have nothing against anyone and hate no one
im sure there are many people who have nothing against anyone and hate no one
I'd like to think this to. But do you think they could remain in that state of mind for their entire lives? I'm sure everyone will have a grievance in their life which will lead them to place blame on someone. I realize it wouldn't lead to bullying (Trying to keep thread on topic) as such, but could if it was severe enough.
Well what are we calling bullying, does it have to have an effect on the victim? Because most if not all the adults I know would simply shrug of any insults hurled at them, or respond in kind. The reaction is obviously different with children. So it depends on when this grievance occurs does it not?
The reaction is obviously different with children. So it depends on when this grievance occurs does it not?
Yes, and no. (In my opinion) Adult bullying is a small number of cases, but it still happens. & the bullying is at it's extremist case, but was trying to keep with the thread.
The actual view is can anyone throughout their whole lives
Hate is very strong, and therefore easy to get around, because there are very few people who can actually claim to hate someone. Having something against someone isn't as big a deal though, so while part of that statement more or less applies to a vast majority, the other part seems to destroy its credibility.
Well in general there are quite a few reasons to hate someone. For gays, it seems to reflect more on religion, moral issues, and maybe personal experience. For religion, I am a Christian and think it is wrong to be gay. I think that at some point in your life, everyone has a moment where they decide if they are gay or strait, and unlike any other sins, you are forced to live with your choice for the rest of your life. Does that mean you are doomed to hell? It is also a sin to look upon women with lust, to have sex not for the purpose of making children, and lying in general. Now, any good christian would know that you will be forgiven for all of your sins, as long as you ask. God doesn't automatically hate you because of your sexual stance, but hes not thrilled about it.
In general, having sex with a condom is just the same as sleeping with someone of the same sex, in the sight of God. Most atheists and even Christians seem to ignore this point, and that calls for them to sin to dehumanize the issue in the first place.
There is something wrong with being gay, but it is nothing to look at someone with raised eyebrow's about. If you seek forgiveness, it will be given to you by Jesus, and what other sinners think doesn't really matter.
You argue religion, but isn't that also subjective?
For religion, I am a Christian and think it is wrong to be gay. I think that at some point in your life, everyone has a moment where they decide if they are gay or strait, and unlike any other sins, you are forced to live with your choice for the rest of your life.
I am a Christian, i see no problem with being gay and i'm a lesbian. I know for a fact it's not a choice one makes because if i had the choice my life would of been a lot easier, as my father is a very old-fashioned religious man - who has since changed his views.
having sex with a condom is just the same as sleeping with someone of the same sex, in the sight of God.
What verse did you take this from?
You have to remember the society change from when the bible was written - The bible says we shouldn't have pre-marital sex. Now, when the bible was written the average age for marriage was 13 (Which is now against the law). Couldn't it be argued it was due to not being emotionally ready?
Hate is inherently illogical and cannot be justified.
It is subjective and ultimately a decision of the individual. Any attempts to justify it are futile because it is rooted in subjective ideas fundamental to the individual. People attempt to justify it because they are looking for a reason to have such negativity towards someone else.
Hate is inherently illogical and cannot be justified.
It is subjective and ultimately a decision of the individual. Any attempts to justify it are futile because it is rooted in subjective ideas fundamental to the individual. People attempt to justify it because they are looking for a reason to have such negativity towards someone else.
But you're not going to think objectively all the time. It is indeed human nature to judge people and form opinions about them. It's called having a personality and a conscious.
You have to remember the society change from when the bible was written - The bible says we shouldn't have pre-marital sex. Now, when the bible was written the average age for marriage was 13 (Which is now against the law). Couldn't it be argued it was due to not being emotionally ready?
Is lust a sin? Yes. And what is the purpose of sex if not to make children? Is there any reason other than lust? None that I can fathom.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.Genesis 1:28
I don't understand why the age girls were put into marriage matters. And the Bible was written over the course of 5,000 years.
But you're not going to think objectively all the time. It is indeed human nature to judge people and form opinions about them. It's called having a personality and a conscious.
That is what I was saying: we are attempting to justify illogical behavior because we want weight beyond our own biases.
And how is the discussion of the Bible relevant to this discussion?
A Target to what? Well as you stated in your OP bullying but if I am not mistaken, New York has passed a gay rights bill that will allow them to be together. Canada and A good section of Europe allow gay marriage and the other allows civil unions. There may have been a few occurrences where gays were physically targeted but nothing outrageously severe.
I personally do not agree with gay marriage but I don't hate them. They are still human beings and have to be treated as such. Im not sure why people bully but I also think that whoever is being bullied has to solve the problem. Either with help or maybe alone. Suicide is never the answer.
I am an atheist (sort of). I believe that "God" is that which we do not understand. As we learn more about things we don't know, the more we learn about "God." Eventually, we will know everything (which is a stretch, I know), then, "God" won't exist.
As for the matter of being gay, I have another example for you. In Iran, they kill or torture homosexuals. Is it right to kill "sinners?" No. Almost no one deserves death. You said something about how if you pray to "God" for forgiveness, he'll grant it to you. There are religious homosexuals out there who pray to "God" everyday asking for people to stop harassing them. They pray to "God" to forgive them of their sins daily. It seems you need to realize that homosexuals do ask for "God" to get rid of their "gay impulses." But, they are created this way by your God. Learn to accept people the way God created them.
And how is the discussion of the Bible relevant to this discussion?
shift4101 used it to support his argument, which is cool.
I am an atheist (sort of). I believe that "God" is that which we do not understand. As we learn more about things we don't know, the more we learn about "God." Eventually, we will know everything (which is a stretch, I know), then, "God" won't exist.
As for the matter of being gay, I have another example for you. In Iran, they kill or torture homosexuals. Is it right to kill "sinners?" No. Almost no one deserves death. You said something about how if you pray to "God" for forgiveness, he'll grant it to you. There are religious homosexuals out there who pray to "God" everyday asking for people to stop harassing them. They pray to "God" to forgive them of their sins daily.
It seems you need to realize that homosexuals do ask for "God" to get rid of their "gay impulses." But, they are created this way by your God. Learn to accept people the way God created them.
[quote]And how is the discussion of the Bible relevant to this discussion?
shift4101 used it to support his argument, which is cool.[/quote]
I have nothing against gays. You make it sound like I do, but I have never claimed to look down upon them. I think it is wrong for men to lust for men, just as it is wrong for men to lust for women. I do not look down upon other men because they look at women lustfully. I am not above this sin. And sin is all the same.
And to your second quote, where did I say that? I said I don't understand why at what girls were married at a specific point of time relevant to what I have said. And I dont understand why it is. So far no one has explained why it is.
