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ShinyCowBeast
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Start discussing... now!

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Armed_Blade
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about time some american sees this. you go for president


As a Muslim from Pakistani decent I don't see any realistic hope of this It's a cruel world when it comes to democracy


Then again, you get oil and a foothold in a strategic area next to Pakistan,Iran, China and Russia.


Okay, a few things.
Foothold? Afghanistan is one of the hardest places on earth to conquer, let alone ever say you have a militaristic foothold in.

Furthermore, strategic? They have trouble making runways for airplanes in some places, and as for getting into China, most of the path is covered by mountains, a better way is through Pakistan through the pass or south from Western Russia.

As for being next to Iran, that isn't strategic at all, if we were ever to invade Iran, sending in our battalion of 90,000 and somehow equipping them and asking them to move in by land or sea without backup makes no sense --
This makes sense because it is what we did last time, and supply our badboys from the sea and land on all of their harbors. That's where the people and resistance would be, anyway.

As for being next to Pakistan, you are correct, it is quite strategic since Pakistan's northern areas are much more rural and look much more like Afghanistan, obviously a reason as to why there is so much influence in the upper areas. Yet Pakistan has 180 Million people, half the US Population and a huge Army with Nukes. It is clearly not strategic, since Pakistan hasn't really been to swayed with the US activity in Afghanistan.

Oh, and for the Oil, Afghanistan does not have much of it. In terms of Iraq, much of the Oil is nationalized and though we've gotten access to some of it, it clearly isn't anything to be happy about or spend a billion a month for.

Overall, we get almost nothing, a bit of Oil but not enough to change any prices [Unlike being nice, which history has shown to lower prices], and no advantage in the military.
Definitely not worth the money.

So yeah, I don't like it.
Dregus2
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I think that bush (the worst president in US history) only attacked Iraq and those other countries for the oil. All that nuclear bomb crap was a lie.

partydevil
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As a Muslim from Pakistani decent I don't see any realistic hope of this It's a cruel world when it comes to democracy


ah my bad, you wold do good anyway =P
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Then again, you get oil and a foothold in a strategic area next to Pakistan,Iran, China and Russia.


It's not like we are colonizing Afghanistan, we are trying to stablize it. We are very far from a war with Russia and China, too. All these countries have recognized the fact that full out war between us would be devastating for all.
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I think that bush (the worst president in US history) only attacked Iraq and those other countries for the oil. All that nuclear bomb crap was a lie.


I hated Bush too, but remember, The President can't declare war, only Congress can.

Really sorry for the double post.
partydevil
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The President can't declare war


i can still hear him say: "you are either whit us or against us"
thats the point i went against.
sprooschicken
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I believe that because America are there to kill terrorists and get oil, they should continue on.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! I'm choosing to take that as a joke because I refuse to believe anyone is actually THAT stupid.
Imperialism is dead. I'm American, but even I'm not riding on the 'America should kill all and win' boat. It'll turn our country into rubble.


I don't know if you meant it to sound that way, but you sounded kind of selfish, I mean, it will turn their country (has) into rubble.
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I think that bush (the worst president in US history) only attacked Iraq and those other countries for the oil. All that nuclear bomb crap was a lie.


Hahaha . . . haha . . . propanganda . . . .

We never intended for Afghanistan to go this long. It was pretty legitimate going in, however there is the whole 'clean up' issue. We didn't clean up in the '80s and we created the Taliban. They come back into power, we're failed in the mission, which might as well just be an extension of our 1980-89 supply war. After the Soviets left, the country was obliterated. Bad stuff happened, and now we're here.

As for oil, Afghanistan produces more heroin than oil.
GoblinD
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As for being next to Iran, that isn't strategic at all, if we were ever to invade Iran, sending in our battalion of 90,000 and somehow equipping them and asking them to move in by land or sea without backup makes no sense --

Stratigic areas help also when no war is made (like puting up missile shields, Intellegence, keeping Afghanistan from becoming another long hand of China and Russia). But for if USA invades Iran, afghanistan will be a Huge pain for the Iranians by increasing the frontlines length and decreasing the amount of "safe areas" in Iran.


As for being next to Pakistan, you are correct, it is quite strategic since Pakistan's northern areas are much more rural and look much more like Afghanistan, obviously a reason as to why there is so much influence in the upper areas. Yet Pakistan has 180 Million people, half the US Population and a huge Army with Nukes. It is clearly not strategic, since Pakistan hasn't really been to swayed with the US activity in Afghanistan.

Its extremly stratigic because by having Afghanistan you can strench Pakitan into a two front war (Indian front). Having India onr one side and Afghanistan on the other, Pakistan's connection to friend countries (Russia, China and Iran) are at USA's and India's mercy.
And again, this helps in non war times too against Pakistan.




Oh, and for the Oil, Afghanistan does not have much of it. In terms of Iraq, much of the Oil is nationalized and though we've gotten access to some of it, it clearly isn't anything to be happy about or spend a billion a month for.


Overall, we get almost nothing, a bit of Oil but not enough to change any prices [Unlike being nice, which history has shown to lower prices], and no advantage in the military.
Definitely not worth the money.

Its more then a bit. They oil they keep they just "have to sell to USA" and "has to be at the price USA names". Plus, any oil in Iraq and Afghanistan isn't going to Russia, Iran or China now.
razinskie
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Its the 'O' WORD that youll never anyone leader say. OIL

thepunisher93
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u will b fed up of it and will try to come out but by then it will b too late and possibly same thing will happen to u that happenned to USSR

SIBER
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I see it as, comparable to the " Vietnam War ".
There was nothing gained.

jayjay9
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There is not only wat between the USA and Afghanistan,
Fx, Denmark is in war with Afghanistan and Pakistan, and a little bit Iran.
So USA do not got the biggest problem, you see

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I'll tell you all what; according to a research, more then 90% of the Afghan population doesn't know what happened at 9/11. And; the Taliban uses this. The Taliban says that the American soldiers(or at last, they call them all the same) came here(afghanistan) to destroy Islam.

Strange...

Greetings

Armed_Blade
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Fx, Denmark is in war with Afghanistan and Pakistan, and a little bit Iran.
So USA do not got the biggest problem, you see


This is wrong everywhere.
Denmark is helping out with some troops in Afghanistan.
They have no military invasions ongoing in Pakistan or Iran.
And the USA's war would still be the biggest problem in this mess, there is no denying that. More troops, more bombs, more killing, more landmass, and overall the two would probably connect together.
Not to say it wouldn't matter, but chances are its all part of a larger plot.

And yeah, the USA + Afghanistan war is a fail.
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