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Roger721
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Hi. This topic is about the so-called "Big Bang", aka the explosion that created the universe.

What do you think about it?

I'm undecided. I don't know what is the most correct: Isn't logical to think that a big "KABOOM" created the universe and all it's features, but I really don't have a clear opinion about it...

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Avorne
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Here you go - have some evidence for the Big Bang. Also, in the Christianity FTW thread, Dair5 gave a rather concise but quite-detailed account of what exactly the Big Bang Theory states - I'll copy that here so we all have at least a basic understanding of what we're talking about and to eliminate some misconceptions:

The big bang theory states that at the beginning there was a extrememly condensed point of energy. This point expands and as the universe cools down some matter are made from the energy. We start off with small matter like hydrogen. Then the hydrogen clump together and become stars. Stars then explode over time and make heavier elements due to the immense power and energy. we then have more rocky elements and that means we have astorids which colide and create planets.


I'm not certain whether the Big Bang theory in it's entirety and in its current form is entirely accurate but I'd say that we're certainly along the right lines of understanding.
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I believe in the Big Bang 2. The reason Big Bang happened, to my opinion, is God, and no other. Becuase there is no other reason to explain the Big Bang, right?

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I will quote dair5, from another thread:

The big bang theory states that at the beginning there was a extrememly condensed point of energy. This point expands and as the universe cools down some matter are made from the energy. We start off with small matter like hydrogen. Then the hydrogen clump together and become stars. Stars then explode over time and make heavier elements due to the immense power and energy. we then have more rocky elements and that means we have astorids which colide and create planets. THE END. haven't I done this before?


This stands in opposition to what you claimed ("This topic is about the so-called "Big Bang", aka the explosion that created the universe."); the Big Bang was not an explosion.
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"In the Big Bang theory, the universe begins as very hot, small and dense, with no stars, atoms, form, or structure (called a "singularity&quot. Then about 14 billion years ago. The space in the universe expanded very very quickly (like a big bang), and later atoms formed, and then the stars and their galaxies. The universe is still expanding today, and getting bigger, but colder."
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Roger721
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Um...

The basic knowledge of everybody about Big Bang is recognizing it as a huge KABOOM!

Anyway, my theory is that Big Bang and God are related.

Creating the Universe piece by piece would be very time-consuming, even for Him.

I guess He maybe created the Big Bang, the universe beginned and He, uh... edited it.

Avorne
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The basic knowledge of everybody about Big Bang is recognizing it as a huge KABOOM!


And when you over-simplify it like that you prove just how little you know about it.

Anyway, my theory is that Big Bang and God are related.
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Which God? Why God? How? When? Why do you even need to add an extraneous element like God into the Big Bang? Or are you just trying to cram God into the gaps?

Creating the Universe piece by piece would be very time-consuming, even for Him.

A supposedly all-knowing and all-powerful perfect being isn't able to just poof everything into existence? this being gets tired too? Doesn't sound so powerful or perfect to me.

Stop shoving God into holes where it doesn't belong.
Roger721
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Wow... take it easy fella.

I ain't no scientist. I just created this topic because I thought that would be a great topic, as active discussions would happen often. Is a thing that people like to discuss about.

I ain't shoving God into holes. My theory is a little too complicated to explain. Both are, anyway. Spanding matter could create life and humanity? Who knows?

Roger721
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Humanity is odd at this point...

A theory full of science is a little hard-to-believe to some people, so as a theory full of religion and no science.

Why science and religion don't stick together and find an aswer to the world's most important question?: Where we came from?

Avorne
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Wow... take it easy fella.

I am taking it easy - I just want you to back up the things you're saying with at least some sort of proof.

I ain't shoving God into holes. My theory is a little too complicated to explain.

If you can't explain it then don't talk about it - otherwise it just looks like you're shoving God into holes.

Spanding matter could create life and humanity? Who knows?


Well, consider the brief explanation of the Big Bang that I quoted earlier, add into that the theory of Abiogenesis and you have the first signs of life - Evolution takes it from there and humanity pops out at some point.
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Why science and religion don't stick together and find an aswer to the world's most important question?: Where we came from?


Science is based on proof, evidence and learning more about things through testing and observation whereas religion is purely based upon faith and faith alone which has no evidence or support. Science constantly looks for answers whereas religion just stagnates and repeats the same answer over and over.
Roger721
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If you can't explain it then don't talk about it


I already said: I ain't no scientist. This is a basic explanation to a theory that my mind think is plausible.

Well, consider the brief explanation of the Big Bang that I quoted earlier, add into that the theory of Abiogenesis and you have the first signs of life - Evolution takes it from there and humanity pops out at some point.


Evolution? Monkeys turning onto humans? I don't think that the science from evolution is totally explained. I ain't seeing it from a religious way, but more research and answers would do the trick.

I will research what is Ambiogenesis...

Science is based on proof, evidence and learning more about things through testing and observation whereas religion is purely based upon faith and faith alone which has no evidence or support. Science constantly looks for answers whereas religion just stagnates and repeats the same answer over and over.


I guess that newer, 21st century scientists are too lazy. Proof and evidence does not look true and research is minimal. If science want to show its theories, it need more researching.
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Evolution? Monkeys turning onto humans? I don't think that the science from evolution is totally explained. I ain't seeing it from a religious way, but more research and answers would do the trick.


You know absolutely nothing about Evolution do you? Nowhere in any modern textbook does any competent scientist state that humans came from monkeys, not modern monkeys anyway, we shared a common ancestor and our evolutionary paths diverged over time. Science has evidence and definite proof of Evolution occurring, the fossil record springs to mind immediately, even without the fossil record we have observed evolution taking place. I suggest you read up on Evolution starting with these links:
29+ Cases for Macroevolution
An Account of a Debate with a Creationist
An Account of the 1993 Creation Conference
All About Archaeopteryx
Ancient Molecules and Modern Myths
Arachaeopteryx: Answering the Challenge of the Fossil Record
Are Mutations Harmful?
Attributing False Attributes to Thermodynamics
Bombadier Beetles and the Argument of Design
The 'Burdick Print'
Creationism and the Platypus
Creationist Arguments: Java Man
Creationist Arguments: The Monkey Quote
Creationist Arguments: Neandertals
Creationist Arguments: Peking Man
A Creationist Exposed: Gish
Creationist Whppoers
Creationists and Pithecanthropines
The Creation Research Society's Creed
Darwin's Black Box: Irredicule Complexity or Irrepoducible Irreducibility?
Digit Numbering and Limb Development
Dino Blood Redux
Dinosaur Footprints in Coal
Dinosaur Valley State Park
Do Human Tracks Occur in the Kayenta of Arizona?
Debate: Edwards vs. Aguillard
Entropy, Disorder and Life
Evidence for Evolution
The Evolution of Improved Fitness
The Evolution of the Woodpecker's Tongue
Five Major Misconceptions About Evolution
Fossil Hominids: The Evidence for Evolution
Fossil Hominids: Lucy
Genetic Algorithims and Evolutionary Computation
Geologic References in the Paluxy Controversy
How Good are those Young Earth Arguments: A Close Look at Dr. Hovinds List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other Claims
Horse Evolution: Hyrocatherium and Hyrax
IRC Graduate School Catalogue and List of Publications
Images of Neandertals
Information Theory and Creationism: Spetner and Biological Information
Jury-Rigged Design
Kansas Evolution Hearings
Lucy's Knee Joint
A Matter of Degree: Carl Baugh's Alleged Credentials
Observed Instances of Speciation
On Archaeopteryx, Astronomers and Forgery
On the Heels of Dinosaurs
The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence
An Overview of Dinosaur Tracking
Peking Man and Homo erectus
Plaigiarised Errors and Molecular Genetics
Publish or Perish: Some Published Works on Biochemical Evolution
A Response to Ashby Camps 'Critique'
Response to Casey Luskin
A Response to Wayne Jackson
Review: Bones of Contention
A Review of IRC's Impact Article 151
A Review of NBC's 'The Mysterious Origins of Man'
Review: Science of Today and the Problems of Genesis
Review: The Image of God
Sauropods, Elephants,Weightlifters
Sea-Monster or Shark?
Scientific Creationism and Error
Scientists Challenge Claim for 60,000 year old Mungo DNA
The Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution and Probability
Suspicious Creationist Credentials
A Tale of Two Teeth
The Taylor Site 'Man Tracks'
Ted Holden's Frequent Questions Answered
Ted Holden's World
The Texas Dinosaur/'Man Track' Controversy
Transitional Vertevrate Fossils FAQ
A Visit to the IRC Museum
Lets Test Them: Evolution vs. Creationism
Irrefutable Proof of Evolution- Part 1 (mtDNA, ERVs, Fusion)
Proof of Evolution - Part 2 (Summation)
Proof of Evolution - Part 3 (Atavisms and Fossils- censored)
How Evolution Works- Introduction (Part I)
How Evolution Works- Forces (Part 2)
How Evolution Works Part 3- DNA
How Evolution Works Part 4- Mutations
How Evolution Works Part 5- Natural Selection
How Evolution Works 6- The Constraints of Evolution
How Evolution Works 7: Speciation
Evidence for Evolution, Part I
Evidence for Evolution, Part II
Evidence for Evolution, Part III
Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker
The Evolution of the Flagellum
Evolution of the Bombardier Beetle
How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part I
How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part II
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8]6 -- Natural Selection Made Easy

7 -- The Theory of Evolution Made Easy
Understanding Evolution
Evolution 101
Mechanisms: the processes of Evolution
Evolution at different scales
Examples of Evolution.
Lectures on Evolution
Evolution and the Fossil Record
Interview on Natural Selection

The last part of your post is just stupid and the material I've linked you to is only a fraction of the research done without the last few decades into Evolution - it appears to me that you're the one too lazy to find out what you're talking about.
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AS I SAID, I AIN'T NO SCIENTIST!

Also, I talked about 21ST century ones! These are from the 20th.

And I never tried to look on that. I already told you why I created this topic, right?

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You don't have to be a scientist to learn. Research and data doesn't have to be from the 21st century to be evidence. The only difference is that newer additions add more shape to the already established theories. But it's not like any major jumps were created between themselves.

Avorne
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AS I SAID, I AIN'T NO SCIENTIST!

Then don't come up with your own theories about things you don't understand.

Also, I talked about 21ST century ones! These are from the 20th.

A few of them are from the 21st century and, anyway, you're ignoring the fact that those still count as evidence/proof.
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