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as now things r going like Indian war excercises on our eastern borders and some american officials saying that they will attack in pakistan if they have to (like in jacobabad)
do you think there will be a war on pakistan by India and america or both
and
what will b china & israel's position on it
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Adding to Turtle's statement:
Also the Germans didn't have cruise missiles and high altitude precision stealth bombers, and all that jazz.
I will totally disagree with you just wearing a uniform does not degrades somone from being human.Its true they are payed for risking their lives but human life can not measured in monetary terms.
I never said they degrades from being humans but as I stated before:
they have choicen to be soldiers, and by choosing the path of a soldier, they also accept the consequences.
In the other hand, civilians havent taken that path. So those consequences dont applies for them
U have no idea how it feels in front of a bullet storm neither have i but i know how it feels to see death reaching out for u as i had few close calls of my own (like driver losing control of car at 100mph and its heading towards canal) and i'm sure soldiers have to face more dangers than that.
why choice to be a soldier then? If they choice to invade a country, then they have to take the cosequences.
Invading a country is not like walking though a park and expect everything is peaceful
If he is not worth less as a person, than how can you maintain that a cop should die over a civilian? Over the mere fact that the cop happens to be carrying a firearm as apart of his job?
Something as simple as possessing a firearm does in no way justify the belittlement of his or her humanity.
as stated before:
they have choicen to be soldiers, and by choosing the path of a soldier, they also accept the consequences.
In the other hand, civilians havent taken that path. So those consequences dont applies for them
@DSM:
There's a thread for you to post your anti-war rants. It's called why do we need war? Hopefully go there and then maybe you're protests will actually be taken seriously. But since I think I'll answer some of your questions for you, if you insist.
why choice to be a soldier then?
Because they want to protect their country. Just like some people want to protect their families, friends, faith, morals. Nothing wrong with that, they know the 'consequences'. (please explain to me what they are because from my pov, there is no afterlife)
Invading a country is not like walking though a park and expect everything is peaceful
Please show me where somebody said invading a country was easy.
In the other hand, civilians havent taken that path. So those consequences dont applies for them
So are you saying civilians are better than soldiers?
@DSM-
Rather contradictory, your statement here:
He is not worth less as a person, but I would rather see a policeman die, than a civilian
Now if thats not devalueing certain members of society for frivolous reasons, I don't know what is.
why choice to be a soldier then?
I asked my cousin, whose a marine, this before he deployed on his first tour a year and a half ago, and he told me what his drill seargeant had said: Marines do not die unless ordered to. He said that you just do it for the guy standing next to you, because no one wants to see their buddy go down. Patriotism is important, but it takes a back seat sometimes in the hell that is insurgent warfare.
I don't think any of us here can fully comprehend that until we get shot at by a mad man who thinks he can take on the US and win.
Can't believe I just now saw this:
between 1830 and 1940 the usa was not a underdog
Militarily, yes the US was. Germany was the world's most powerful Military, that's why they tried to take over with the help of Italy, Japan, and any other countries of the Axis Powers during WWII. And the US beat Germany. Sure the Allies of Europe weakened them a little bit, but most of Europe got their a**es kicked, Russia being the exception and it was the troops at Stalingrad that beat Germany, the rest of Russia was reduced to rubble, pretty much.
pakistan army have been fighting wars since 1947 both all out wars and black ops and on a comparatively large scale seven are the major wars i can count of.and
offensive warfare had ended before ww2
now a days any army who takes an offensive has to suffer a lot of causalities and america simply can not afford that much causalities
u ppl say that u got best airforce
i say yes u got best airforce but do not under estimate PAF
when u ppl talk about pakistan u talk like it is like afghanistan or iraq which it is not and pak army has fought in more defensive stance than offensive like in 1948 or 1964 or 1971 or siachin so it can b dediced that pak army is more experienced in defensive warfare than offensive and as for nukes missiles and planes are not the only ways to nuke some place.
P.S :- when i say stalingrad i don't mean it literally i mean it for its house to house fighting, the fight in which u lose two men to capture kitchen and two more to capture living room.It can b rephrased as
IF IT TAKES TWO OF US TO KILL ONE OF THEM, SO BE IT.
now a days any army who takes an offensive has to suffer a lot of causalities and america simply can not afford that much causalities
exactly hwy we use them missiles and our big guns and bombs then send n the army
you see that image above? it's probably outdated, seeing as we are really reducing our presence in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
pakistan army have been fighting wars since 1947
US has been fighting wars a whole lot longer than Pakistan, try going back to the late 1700's and you'll witness the first American war.
nukes missiles and planes are not the only ways to nuke some place
Care to explain? I think we'd catch notice of you all trying to board an American plane with a nuclear missile in your carry-on. Not to mention that commercial flight between American and Pakistan would be severed, along with sea travel, unless one of you can stowaway on an American aircraft carrier with a nuke, make it to the US capital and set it off, you won't be nuking the US anytime soon.
when i say stalingrad i don't mean it literally i mean it for its house to house fighting, the fight in which u lose two men to capture kitchen and two more to capture living room
We usually bust down the doors and someone else throws a grenade in. Not to mention there'll probably be snipers set up to take you guys out from high above. And our snipers aren't the typical Hollywood snipers where they stick their heads out the window after painting a huge target on their heads, our snipers do everything humanly possible to not be seen and with the best snipers in the world currently working to shoot through a hole in a wall that's only slightly bigger than the bullet and still kill someone on the other side, I think our guys will be safeish.
IF IT TAKES TWO OF US TO KILL ONE OF THEM, SO BE IT
There's a reason that the US is the best military in the world. We don't act like ants, meaning that we actually take into account our numbers. We actually care if we die, so we try harder to stay alive.
i say yes u got best airforce but do not under estimate PAF
And I say don't underestimate the world's best military, which is something you're clearly doing. We've got the best Navy by a long shot. (most important aspect of a military)
@ TORTOISE
i am not saying u do not have a better army all i am saying is pakistan is not veitnam or iraq or afghanistan and
simply u can not conquer pakistan it is just impossible
even if u manage to setup up a base some where in pakistan it wont last long
desperate times need desperate measures it is possible that few hundered SSG hijack a foreign ship heading to new york with a nuke with them
simply u can not conquer pakistan it is just impossible
yeh we can, we bomb it, then occupy it, take down the government... do i really need to list this?
it is possible that few hundered SSG hijack a foreign ship heading to new york with a nuke with them
that's a long trip, our navy would probably get to the ship and clear it before it reaches new york.
@ loco
probably u never heard of black ops
and again u r mtaking us as light as iraq or nam
probably u never heard of black ops
don't ever assume... i know what they are, but i doubt pakistan's special forces are the most highly trained
and again u r mtaking us as light as iraq or nam
how so? i'm just stating usual military doctrine
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