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thepunisher93
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As you know things have been going for muslims for last decade.All the discrimination and hatred they have been facing.
Led to the rise of the term Islamophobia.
What r ur thoughts on it.

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babiker
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blue rabbit what do you think the prophets where sent for? to bring the message. that's why they are here in the first place.

read this:
first, Adam was created out of soil, and god placed him and his wife in heaven, told them to eat and drink from were ever they want except for a tree. but when god ordered all angels to bow to Adam, a devil (named Iblis) refused to bow to a creature made of soil when he was made of fire. god cursed him, and he swore to put all his anger out on Adam nd his sons.

Then when Adam and his wife where in heaven, Iblis came to them in the form of an old man. told them that who ever eats from the tree (the one god forbid anyone to touch) would become a king. so Adam and his wife ate from the tree. God was very angry and punished them by sending them down to earth, land of no resting, hate and problems.

After that god forgave them for there mistake, and told them that all there sons whom worship him shall return to heaven and all whom disobey him and listen to the devil shall go to hell. and ever since then Adams children, we humans, have been worshiping him.

Ten thousand years after Adams death, humans began to disobey gods order, worshiping other things like statues,fire or the sun. so god sent his first prophets to teach us the correct path.

And so you see, from this point we started to become separate. then religions started to form. people began thinking, making up stuff. and here we are.

sorry for taking all this time to for you to read this.

Kasic
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first, Adam was created out of soil, and god placed him and his wife in heaven, told them to eat and drink from were ever they want except for a tree.


I always find it amusing that people claim abiogenesis is so far fetched and say god must have created everything, and then say that soil = man, and rib from man = women.

blue rabbit what do you think the prophets where sent for? to bring the message. that's why they are here in the first place.


It would be nice if God, could, you know, give us some evidence that he is real after all, since he's going to send anyone to hell who doesn't believe in him...

Kinda funny that a supposedly all knowing, all loving and all powerful God doesn't realise how stupid it is to punish people for not believing in him when he doesn't do anything to show that he's real.

but if you can choose what you want, believe in what you want, wouldn't that be an insult to the 1 that created you? you know he went to the trouble of making you and you just ditch him like a broken sword. now isnt that wrong?


Here's how I see it.

1) There is no proof of God, so having him say that we must believe in him or be punished eternally is pretty messed up.

2) If God doesn't want to provide evidence of his own existence, then he must not really care whether or not we worship him.

3) If God truly gave us free will, then why did he ever interfere in the first place?

And just to keep this on topic...It ain't cool to blow crap up simply because they talk bad about something you believe in.
babiker
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hey live in Saudi Arabia. every ones Muslim here. but shouldnt you atheist be having problems.

nichodemus
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as much as I dislike it, I agree with avorne on this one. christians, and jews have been insulted a lot over the past millenia, and we more or less put up with it. Islam has no right to attack something just because you perceive that same something didn't give you enough respect. modern day political correctness allows us, instead of acts of violence and vengeance, to sue people for discrimination.

such acts of violence is not justified today, and no ammount of doctrine, bias, or offense that was taken from the disrespect will justify burning down a building that could've killed many, and injured way more than that cartoon ever could've.


To be pedantic, you really need to read up your history if you think Christians didn't fight back. The Crusades are but one example that Christianity was used as a reason to shed blood.

In fact the Muslims during the Medieval Ages were much more tolerant of other religions compared to Christianity.
thepunisher93
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here
is the link to charlie hebdo story for those who say that legal action would have been taken.

thepunisher93
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If someone insults your religion, the only logical reaction would be to show and explain them why they are wrong. It would make people understand better what they're talking about so they won't insult it again. Getting offended without explaining what was wrong or overreact will only make their idea of Islam worse

Now every body knows disrespecting Holy prophet enrages muslims we are not in medievil ages.But still people do it and I say they deserve what they get.
the fact that you find something important doesnt mean that you can do whatever you want when someone disrespects it. i LOVE pokemon, but you wont see me killing other people who disrespect it. and if your going to say that it is different because it is not a belief then ok.

Pokemon is not god okay?
Next thing is we muslims respect holy prophet more than our parents. I think this is a logical enough explaination for u ppl.
Avorne
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So, basically, moderate Muslims are the equivalent of fundamentalist Christians?

nichodemus
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So, basically, moderate Muslims are the equivalent of fundamentalist Christians?


The absurdity in your sentence is astounding. Just because he claims Muslims respect the Holy Prophet more than their parents does not make them fundamentalist.

Definition of a Christian Fundamentalist:

Christian fundamentalists are a group reacting against liberal theology and militantly asserting that the inerrancy of the Bible is essential for true Christianity and was being violated by modernists.
Kasic
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hey live in Saudi Arabia. every ones Muslim here. but shouldnt you atheist be having problems.


Could you explain this more? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Next thing is we muslims respect holy prophet more than our parents. I think this is a logical enough explaination for u ppl.


Which is fine. But someone insulting that is not a reason to blow stuff up or kill people.
Avorne
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I was just drawing parallels between the rampant Jesus fanaticism that a lot of deep/fundamentalist Christians show and the way in which Muslims look upon that prophet guy.

nichodemus
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I was just drawing parallels between the rampant Jesus fanaticism that a lot of deep/fundamentalist Christians show and the way in which Muslims look upon that prophet guy.


Right, let us dissect it. Now you're equating a movement that is inherently against modernism and takes the Bible literally with Muslims who just have a lot of respect for the Prophet?

That's quite a leap. I personally have Muslim friends who deeply revere the Prophet but read the Quran with admirable scepticism.
thepunisher93
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Well thats the last thing muslims do (blow stuff up)
they take legal action first but when judge dismsses the case than they get violent.

Kasic
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they take legal action first but when judge dismsses the case


They dismiss the case because it's not a crime to speak what you believe, nor should it be. If you could go to court and sue someone for insulting you/your beliefs, the courts would be overrun. Getting violent after getting denied is like a 3 year old throwing a tantrum after he doesn't get candy.
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blue rabbit what do you think the prophets where sent for? to bring the message. that's why they are here in the first place.


like who? there are many religions and each can give me a pretty bad &quotroof" that its right. there are christian prophets too. so why arent you christian? you cant prove any of this. once there is a solid proof in the present. then we can say that something exists. but not if its written in a book.

and it doesnt matter how much you respect something. even if someone is insulting it you should be mature enough to ignore or talk about it. yes pokemon is not god but hey... i might be crazy and believe that pokemon actually ARE gods. and who knows? you cant prove its wrong. so if someone would say anything bad about pokemon following your logic it is ok for me to kill it.

i can have the same answer to you and say that islam is not real and that there is no god. yet i cant say that because i cant know for sure. and you dont know for sure either.

as i said: kindergarden lessons :3
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Well then in our point of view its not a crime to kill someone who insults our prophet.
For us freedom of speech is allowed as far as you dont insult anyones religion.

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