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thepunisher93
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As you know things have been going for muslims for last decade.All the discrimination and hatred they have been facing.
Led to the rise of the term Islamophobia.
What r ur thoughts on it.

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BladeBreaker
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Why do Americans cheer when our soldiers make kills overseas? "Suspected Terrorists"; "Alleged Al-Qaeda Affiliates". If you were having a conversation with a friend at a coffee shop, and he suddenly gets ups and shoots someone across the street, then tells you the man was a "suspected terrorist", you would think he was out of his mind. But we trust the government. Who cares whether or not there's proof, the government says so, we should believe it, right? And what would happen if every time someone was killed they said they were unsure whether or not the killings were justified? There would be madness. People want to think the world around them makes sense, when in reality they're only making it make sense through ignorance. My question is: is it the job of the government to keep us in these bubbles? Or should they allow us outside the protective veil?

nichodemus
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Why do Americans cheer when our soldiers make kills overseas? "Suspected Terrorists"; "Alleged Al-Qaeda Affiliates". If you were having a conversation with a friend at a coffee shop, and he suddenly gets ups and shoots someone across the street, then tells you the man was a "suspected terrorist", you would think he was out of his mind. But we trust the government. Who cares whether or not there's proof, the government says so, we should believe it, right? And what would happen if every time someone was killed they said they were unsure whether or not the killings were justified? There would be madness. People want to think the world around them makes sense, when in reality they're only making it make sense through ignorance. My question is: is it the job of the government to keep us in these bubbles? Or should they allow us outside the protective veil?


Now....instead of just another mad conspiracy mired in scepticism, do you have any proof that the government falsely labels the killings of such suspects?
BladeBreaker
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But isn't skepticism the point? If we weren't skeptical, we would never find proof until it contradicted our values and policies. What's the use then? Suppose every time they say "suspected", it IS correct. Well, when was the last time you heard about unjustified killings? Where did those go? I understand justification is subjective, but still, when innocent lives are lost, where do those stories go? Either they just aren't spread, meaning we are being misled, or they are included in the "suspected". Maybe I'm wrong and there's another possibility. Shoot them all at me, I'd love to hear them to see where I'm going wrong. And you said America wasn't proud after the Tet Offensive. The question was when were we not proud when we won.

nichodemus
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But isn't skepticism the point? If we weren't skeptical, we would never find proof until it contradicted our values and policies. What's the use then? Suppose every time they say "suspected", it IS correct. Well, when was the last time you heard about unjustified killings? Where did those go? I understand justification is subjective, but still, when innocent lives are lost, where do those stories go? Either they just aren't spread, meaning we are being misled, or they are included in the "suspected". Maybe I'm wrong and there's another possibility. Shoot them all at me, I'd love to hear them to see where I'm going wrong. And you said America wasn't proud after the Tet Offensive. The question was when were we not proud when we won.


Scepticism is only healthy when there is actual evidence. For instance, I can come up with a mad idea that the Illuminati are trying to take over the world by poisoning the world's rivers even though the government denies such a thing. That's a wild conspiracy because there's absolutely no proof.

The question was when were we not proud when we won.


Do me a favour and actually read up on your history. In tactical terms, the Offensive was a failure on the part of the Vietcong; they lost up to two hundred thousand men, leading Hanoi to supplement their ranks with North Vietnamese regulars. It failed to achieve most of the objectives the Vietcong had set out to achieve; and quite possibly opened up an opportunity for the Americans to win the war if they had been bold enough in its aftermath. Tactically it was a victory. But the psychological damage on the American public soon called for descalation.
BladeBreaker
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I concede. I don't feel my point has enough substance to withstand an involved argument.

gaboloth
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If someone's family dies in a Islamic suicide attack (Just for being in america at that time) what will he think of Islam?

and here is where you go wrong.
it was not the islam that did the attack.
if so then we can say that christianity killedthe people in norway. because the guy felt himself like a crusade.

I know it's not true, it's just what a lot of western citizens think when they hear news about terrorist attacks. And however, the other side does that too. I suppose a lot of Islamic people, when they hear about people killed by the American army, they will hate the whole america and not the small elite who plans the attacks.

However I think the conflict is bound to end. We have the Internet, and there is no way a government can block people from communicating with the rest of the world, so people will finally start to realize that the people living in their enemy countries are persons just like them too, and slowly this will cause the war to end.
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My dad hates Muslims but it is just because he was beaten up a few times by Muslims so now he hates them. I would understand him, if he was less hating I mean it is not like all Muslims in the world beat him up. But if I say that he out smarts me and comes with reasons I cant compete to.

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However I think the conflict is bound to end. We have the Internet, and there is no way a government can block people from communicating with the rest of the world, so people will finally start to realize that the people living in their enemy countries are persons just like them too, and slowly this will cause the war to end.


its not that easy. racism is not logical and people who are racist wont use logic when meeting the person they hate. many people can be friends online and when they discover that someone is something they will amazingly hate them. i remember someone told me im nice and he really likes me. when i told him im jewish he started cursing me. when i was logical and explained to him that i dont hate him he just couldnt reply and left.
partydevil
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it's called &quotropaganda" devil. it's what both the goverment and the media use to sway peoples opinions.


funny when i tell americans that it is propaganda they tell me to shut up because i'm all wrong and america is free and awsome and doesn't have propaganda.
if i say this it's wrong and if i say the other it's also wrong.
stupiud ****.

What country's armies win a battle/mission and aren't proud?

what country starts every 2 or 3 year a new war? and are even cheering befor the fights have started?
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funny when i tell americans that it is propaganda they tell me to shut up because i'm all wrong and america is free and awsome and doesn't have propaganda.

Of course we've got propaganda. So does every other nation.

what country starts every 2 or 3 year a new war?

Germany did in the 30s and their people would cheer too. No other nation really has the ability to now.
nichodemus
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Germany did in the 30s and their people would cheer too. No other nation really has the ability to now.


No....they didn't start a war every 2 or 3 years in the 1930s if you want to be pedantic.

No other nation really has the ability to now.


Actually, many of the Great Powers do have the ability.
partydevil
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Germany did in the 30s


that was 1 war vs multiple countrys.

No other nation really has the ability to now.


ofcours they are able. but do they realy need to? does the usa realy need to?
spare power for when it's realy needed. not for evrything thats happening.
thepunisher93
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Germany did in the 30s and their people would cheer too. No other nation really has the ability to now.

So you are no better than nazis?
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So you are no better than Nazis?

So your no better than an misinterpreting person?
Back to the subject of Islamophobia if you can really call it that, has been created by Bush. It's that fact they keep on saying "Islamic Extremists" and "Islam" etc. that they are so racist against it.Oh thepunisher93 next time ask them to clarify instead of rudely assuming things for your own amusement. Anyways we should be scared of Sharia because it gets rid of Democracy and the freedom to do most things.. especially for women!
nichodemus
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So your no better than an misinterpreting person?
Back to the subject of Islamophobia if you can really call it that, has been created by Bush. It's that fact they keep on saying "Islamic Extremists" and "Islam" etc. that they are so racist against it.Oh thepunisher93 next time ask them to clarify instead of rudely assuming things for your own amusement. Anyways we should be scared of Sharia because it gets rid of Democracy and the freedom to do most things.. especially for women!


Yep! Just because X has characteristic Y and Z has the same characteristic Y does not mean X and Z are similar. Logic fail here.

Well, it's all perception. Countries under Sharia law will say that democracy erodes their traditions. And anyway, only a minority of Muslim countries practice Sharia law in full.
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