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thepunisher93
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As you know things have been going for muslims for last decade.All the discrimination and hatred they have been facing.
Led to the rise of the term Islamophobia.
What r ur thoughts on it.

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nichodemus
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Tell me what will b your reaction when you come home and see your wife sleeping with someone else? I bet you will beat the crap out of him(at least)


Actually, I will just seek a divorce or counselling.

Yeah right like jail and fine prevent crimes.


And amputation gives a convict a chance at a new life. Right.

Christianity has run it's course, and even Christianity has evolved to suit the morality of today. We do not need Islam to exist as it is. Islam, as of now, is nothing but barbaric beliefs used to give men untold power over their families.

I do not care what religion one belongs to, but Islam as a whole needs to evolve. If one who is Islamic wishes to prove that Islam is a religion of peace, then they need to preach peace, not ****ation, not justification for murder, not superiority over others.


I'm actually pretty shocked at what you wrote Nemo. The Muslim population in Singapore is absolutely not like how you portray it. And many Muslim Scholars are getting more and more liberal; It's just the nations that have Sharia Law that irk me.

I bet you will cuz you are an israeli jew


That's uncalled for.
Bladerunner679
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I bet you will cuz you are an israeli jew


wow, that was harsh on many levels.

from what I have read, there is no way to convince somebody that laws are unjust if they were taught all their life (brainwashed? maybe) that the law is a righteous and just law.

the punisher won't budge, not because he is a muslim, but because he was taught all his life that sharia law is a just and fair law.

also, muslims weren't always so oppressive of women, it wasn't until the ummayad dynasty (decades after muhammad's death) did they legalize the veiling and the harem of women.

in other words, unless properly guided, human nature will always corrupt the doctrine and practices of a religion. this happened to multiple religions, including catholics, jews, and muslims.
nichodemus
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in other words, unless properly guided, human nature will always corrupt the doctrine and practices of a religion. this happened to multiple religions, including catholics, jews, and muslims.


Just being a pedant here, but Catholics are a sub religion under Christianity.

the punisher won't budge, not because he is a muslim, but because he was taught all his life that sharia law is a just and fair law.


This. But what we can do is put forth substantial arguments in a hope to sway him.
Bladerunner679
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This. But what we can do is put forth substantial arguments in a hope to sway him.


(i'm not proud of knowing how to do this) you basically need to crush his beliefs by throwing in a bunch of fact, then drive the final nail in with some emotional rhetoric. this combination is rather effective, but only if the person you are arguing with already has shaky beliefs in what you are arguing in.

some people, however, are so devoted to their beliefs that no ammount of logic will sway them.

now the question is, which do you think he is?
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Nemo, you should probably not make assumptions about how a religion is evolving, because as far as I know, Islam is fairly tolerant, if you ask the casual followers, just like Christianity is.

Anyone that uses their religion as an excuse to break the rules of their religion (Murder, for example) obviously are not very good at their religion.

And to everyone else, if you are going to target someone else due to their race, religion or whatever you might believe is justified, don't. Go out and play with your friends and stop judging people on something you have no idea if right or not.

This is why I really don't like this section.

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I understand that not every Islamic man is a murderer, but there are so many crimes, deaths, caused from Islam that there is no reason for anyone to support such a horrible religion.


I have a big problem with this. This assertion, combined with your statements about Christianity 'evolving', only tells me two things: you're working solely from your second hand media bias, and that you don't know any moderate Muslims, because if you did, you would have thought twice about acknowledging the variability of people under a single identity, then slamming an entire demographic anyway.

I also don't know where you got that "Christianity has evolved to suit the morality of today". If anything, that's actually the crux of the movements that are deepening the inter-denominational rifts. For example, moderate and socially progressive denominations like the Uniting Church are criticised by the typically socially conservative, spirit-filled denominations (like Pentecostal) for being theologically wayward.

But back to Islam, on a basic "human rights" and "co-existence" level, sure, I agree there is actually great cause for concern, as literal interpretations of strict Islamic teachings (my simple way of describing sharia law), is not compatible with most Western laws as they do involve abuses and homicide. I have quite a bit of interest in where Libya is heading after the interim government's declaration that any non-Sharia law is null and void, which goes a long way to indicating what the balance of power may turn out to be, and the demographics of the most active participants in the uprising that eventually killed Gaddafi. The interest is mixed with some concern, as it's the militia Islamist groups that are most likely to be hostile to the Western nations (as you all well know), and I note wryly that Gaddafi was actually quite a secular man.

What disappoints me is that the hysteria that accompanies this completely undermines the work that moderate Islamists are doing to try and restore the integrity of their religion in the eyes of non-Muslims. One such advocate, Sheik Nasser Zuway, was ironically killed in Libya when he returned from Australia to his home country not so much to fight as to distribute aid to his compatriots, but in life his work centered around building dialogues and strengthening communities. These stories barely constitute a blip on the radar, instead being flooded by the sensational, the horrific, filling you all with a sense of dread and self-righteous anger... but leaving you as ignorant as before you were exposed, for the patterns of the news have remained largely unchanged, as has, it seems, the psyche of the public.

I've seen ritual stonings, and the effect of honour killings, and it's all the more poignant when they take place in countries that have no place for such behaviour, and I also feel that such is not welcome. But it's a horrendous mistake the moment you blame a concept borne from the nature of people, for the actions of a person, rather than the nature itself.
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I know that not all Muslims are murderers. However, many Muslims do turn a blind eye to crimes committed by other Muslims, which is an issue. Many Muslims accept the violence as solutions to minor problems.

Not all Muslims are bad, not all Muslims turn a blind eye. In fact, there are many Muslims who are trying to promote peace and equality. I should have taken the time to exclude those who do not turn a blind eye and those who already support equality and do not condone violence.

nichodemus
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I know that not all Muslims are murderers. However, many Muslims do turn a blind eye to crimes committed by other Muslims, which is an issue. Many Muslims accept the violence as solutions to minor problems.


Proof? Or it's an assertion. Personally, I've throughout my life come into contact with hundreds of Muslims and not one of them is of that opinion. That's just my limited circle, but it's better than nothing.
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Alright, I'll step out of this conversation.

thepunisher93
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I bet you will cuz you are an israeli jew

That's uncalled for.

Well this is a fact that an Israily jew will usually not be welcomed in most of the arab socities
thepunisher93
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This is sickening, disgusting, vile.

I understand that not every Islamic man is a murderer, but there are so many crimes, deaths, caused from Islam that there is no reason for anyone to support such a horrible religion. Islam needs to evolve into a religion of peace, not one of murder. Islam needs to evolve into a religion of equality, so that men and women are equals. Islam needs to evolve to that of a religion of tolerance.

Christianity has run it's course, and even Christianity has evolved to suit the morality of today. We do not need Islam to exist as it is. Islam, as of now, is nothing but barbaric beliefs used to give men untold power over their families.

I do not care what religion one belongs to, but Islam as a whole needs to evolve. If one who is Islamic wishes to prove that Islam is a religion of peace, then they need to preach peace, not ****ation, not justification for murder, not superiority over others

First of all, only state have athority to execute punishments no one else have so this was wrong from religious point of view. secondly strict laws about this are made to prevent such things from happening.
thepunisher93
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lol no one? jews, and pretty much all of eastern europe who should be inslaved. actually, pretty much most of the world had problems with him. besides, were you there? how do you know that no one had a problem? what about the people who saved jews even though they werent jewish? many people had problems with hitler, and i doubt that the rules in most arab country suit there condition. the condition INSIDE those countries is usually on the edge. its very unblanaced and thats because of the government and their rules

By nobody I meant no major power ever heard of phoney war
And most of the arab countries have not sharia law
thebluerabbit
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Well this is a fact that an Israily jew will usually not be welcomed in most of the arab socities


im sure any jew wouldnt be welcomed there... so what is your point? that those places are racist? a peacefull jew can get killed there just because of the fact he is jewish. as i said, even a lady that dresses "unproperly" can get killed there (and that wouldnt be counted as a crime either).

and as i said, i can guess that most people who arent arabs can agree that they would feel much safer walking in a place like USA then an arab country. (this may sound racist but i have nothing against you or your race/people that share your religion)
thepunisher93
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Well that goes other way around too.
My point is every action have a reaction.Although Islam does not allow killing innocents and punishing criminals is states responsibility.
So,culprits in the case you mentioned are punishable from sharia law point of view.

thebluerabbit
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Well that goes other way around too.
My point is every action have a reaction.Although Islam does not allow killing innocents and punishing criminals is states responsibility.
So,culprits in the case you mentioned are punishable from sharia law point of view.


exactly, and there are different points of view. so what might be a crime for you might not be a crime for other people and the other way around. this explains why there are "more" crimes in america.

your definition of someone innocent is very different from the definition other and dare i say most people is.

and what do you mean by the other way around? there are many muslims in israel who live just like any other sitizent and i actually know many of them.
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