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Dude Your swearing aint gonna prove that you are right or something.

First of all, the first two were along the lines of a dam. Second of all, I never said that it would prove me right, however it helps illustrate my point. I am saying that if you don't go to the negotiation table, Israel doesn't have to do anything for you! You are lucky they are so benevolent and don't turn Gaza into a parking lot! The United States would!

Not every christian beleives on existence of Israel.
Hell even the jews are not in the favor of it.

Those Jews against Israel are in the distinct minority and ignore the teachings of their own Torah.

I can find no evidence to suggest them doing that to avoid a genocide, rather than a civil war. There is no indication that the Hindus wanted to massacre the Muslim populations in a genocide.

Following is from wikipedia:-
According to Richard Symonds:[16]â At the lowest estimate, half a million people perished and twelve million became homeless.
This was after the partition. Imagine what would have had happened if there was no partition.

Furthermore no, the margin between Muslim and Hindu populations was very slim. All districts (other than Amritsar, which was 46.5% Muslim) did have Muslim majorities; albeit, in Gurdaspur, the Muslim majority, at 51.1%, was slender. Furthermore, in the Sindh there was a population of Hindus more than 1.4 million strong. Yet the British went through.

All the above mentioned districts were annexed to India other han sindh.

Nope. NATO and the Western Nations, and pretty much everyone else in the world will be enraged. I find it hard to actually believe you can come up with a quack argument that if all Israelis are killed the ME will be happy and no one will be sad.

Then I guess conflict will continue.

Well, there were also areas in the Palestine that were largely non-Muslim as shown in the 1922 census, which was relatively untouched by immigration.

Considering colonizationwould never had happenned, jews would never have had gotten Israel because they were mere 10%
BTW your link is broken.

I'm going to correct you on this, only the bigots and extremists want war and bloodshed. Again here. More here.

If such claims are right, Hamas would never had came in power it would have finished because organizations like hamas are only run by the people support.

The Mujahideen fired them. Not the Pakistanis. Oh they did care. They cared alright, because it was killing off the Soviets. In fact, the USA plunged straight into the war, arming the Muslim forces as early as 1978.

Yeah but USA did not want to dirty its hands so Pakistan was the front for those actions. Pakistan was front line state then and is front line state now but no Americans dont know how to keep regard.

And yet most of them oppose Israel's right to exist?

(sighs) here we go again.
Because its an illegitmate state.

Sometimes giving the other side a better deal is the only way to get what you want.

And some times other side is given a better deal because one knows he is wrong.

How?

You said every one should have a right to live any where they want.
And then you said Even in europe non christians were discriminated.

If such claims are right, Hamas would never had came in power it would have finished because organizations like hamas are only run by the people support.

Well than it is safe to say that if the Pals want Hamas to represent them, than all Pals want the destruction of Israel! Of course, that is by following your own flawed logic...

(sighs) here we go again.
Because its an illegitmate state.

(sighs) here we go again.
Where is your proof other than anti-Israel slogans?

We have been waiting for about 25 pages now...

And you still haven't answered my question on the Treaty of Versailles. If that wasn't slanted toward the victors, than...well...that's the thing. I couldn't come up with a more absurd statement.

First of all, the first two were along the lines of a dam. Second of all, I never said that it would prove me right, however it helps illustrate my point. I am saying that if you don't go to the negotiation table, Israel doesn't have to do anything for you! You are lucky they are so benevolent and don't turn Gaza into a parking lot! The United States would!

Nah USA got too much troubles of its own and secondly as long as no third party is involved this matter will stay still and the moment someone else gets involved(militarily)
all bets will be off.

And some times other side is given a better deal because one knows he is wrong.

If that's the assumption you want to make.

As I have pointed out with links that were ignored by you so many times, there was also massive Arab immigration during the same period into Palestine.

Go back a few pages to look at its answer bcoz I wont repeat myself.

There has always been a Jewish population in the Palestine. Under the Romans, under the Byzantines, under the Ottomans. Which kind of refutes your point about the Jews suddenly just popping up only recently.

Again who got there first.
I didnot say that they were totaly vanished you took a wrong impression if you thought so.
Point is who was in majority (because of completely normal reasons unlike Colonization) at that specific point of history?

So Palestinian immigration to the USA is colonization too? Gosh.

No it wil not be called colonization because they dont claim that they want a seperate state of their own and if they do, they will b wrong in that claim.

And the majority don't?

Give me source stating that majrity of christians do support israel even if they do that does not justify it.
Because even if whole world starts calling night a day
that wont change the fact that its night.

will stay still and the moment someone else gets involved(militarily)
all bets will be off.

Here's the thing that you don't get though. Almost all countries would be backing Israel for one primary reason: THEY MAKE ALL THE DARN TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!

Cell phones? Check
Computer Chips? Check
Cameras used to look inside your body? Check
Voice Mail Technology? Check
Both Microsoft and Cisco have their only out of US R&D places in Israel.
Israel produces the most scientific papers per capita by a LARGE margin.
Israel has the most number of start up companies in proportion to the population.
Israel has the third most number of NASDAQ companies in the world.
Golda Meir, an Israeli PM, was the second female leader of a country in modern times.
Israel is the only country who entered the 21st century with a net gain in the amount of trees in its country.

Source:


Read it and weep. These are reasons why Israel won't be attacked by any nation who wants to keep technology.

Here's the thing that you don't get though. Almost all countries would be backing Israel for one primary reason: THEY MAKE ALL THE DARN TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!

Cell phones? Check
Computer Chips? Check
Cameras used to look inside your body? Check
Voice Mail Technology? Check
Both Microsoft and Cisco have their only out of US R&D places in Israel.
Israel produces the most scientific papers per capita by a LARGE margin.
Israel has the most number of start up companies in proportion to the population.
Israel has the third most number of NASDAQ companies in the world.
Golda Meir, an Israeli PM, was the second female leader of a country in modern times.
Israel is the only country who entered the 21st century with a net gain in the amount of trees in its country.

Source:
http://inspire.nbn.org.il/zionism/186-i ⦠ments.html

Read it and weep. These are reasons why Israel won't be attacked by any nation who wants to keep technology.

Things like this are not considered when attacking someone.

Things like this are not considered when attacking someone.

Are you stupid!? Of course economic impact is considered before attacking someone. Do you think that Israel would continue to supply computer technology to China if they are attacked by them? Do you think that Israel will sell medical supplies to Russia if Russia aids an attack against them?

Are you stupid!? Of course economic impact is considered before attacking someone. Do you think that Israel would continue to supply computer technology to China if they are attacked by them? Do you think that Israel will sell medical supplies to Russia if Russia aids an attack against them?

Who is talking about them broom head?
Why would they take part in such a war.

Because even if whole world starts calling night a day
that wont change the fact that its night.

It won't change any facts, but the truth won't matter anymore if nobody wants it.

Who is talking about them broom head?
Why would they take part in such a war.

Anyone who Israel does business with (about the entire world) won't attack them due to the benefits that Israeli technology brings them. Only Iran would be moronic enough to fight Israel, and that war would be over quickly.

I hate it when people make up their mind without listening to the other side of story.

I took this from your profile page punisher. I have many times talked with Palestinians and have myself condemned Israel for some actions taken which I viewed to be out of hand. However have your truly looked at the Israeli side of the story? How afraid they must be to have rockets raining down on their heads? 'Cause if not than I implore you to remove this sentence from your profile page, as you would not be taking your own advice.

Following is from wikipedia:-
According to Richard Symonds:[16]� At the lowest estimate, half a million people perished and twelve million became homeless.
This was after the partition. Imagine what would have had happened if there was no partition.

You can't take what happened from the future and then state that it could happen. That's counter factual history. No other links?

All the above mentioned districts were annexed to India other han sindh.

It does show that not all the districts were ''90% Muslim'' as you claim. Furthermore, the Sindh is part of Pakistan. Check it up first before posting false information.

Considering colonizationwould never had happenned, jews would never have had gotten Israel because they were mere 10%
BTW your link is broken.

10% overall. Not 10% in certain districts, which had Jewish majorities.

If such claims are right, Hamas would never had came in power it would have finished because organizations like hamas are only run by the people support.

Hamas won the last elections by a mere 3% margin, without even 50% of the vote. Furthermore, current trends show Hamas' support has dwindled.

Here again.

In fact, in July 2009, Khaled Meshal, Hamas's political bureau chief, stated Hamas's willingness to cooperate with a resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict which included a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders, provided that Palestinian refugees be given the right to return to Israel and that East Jerusalem be recognized as the new state's capital.

Clearly, this shows waning support for violence amongst the Palestinians, and even amongst Hamas.

Yeah but USA did not want to dirty its hands so Pakistan was the front for those actions. Pakistan was front line state then and is front line state now but no Americans dont know how to keep regard.

I'm not disputing that. I am putting forth a point that the USA provided most of the weaponry, and the training.

(sighs) here we go again.
Because its an illegitmate state.

In the eyes of the majority of the world's nations, it isn't.

here is link for you niko about sindh

It won't change any facts, but the truth won't matter anymore if nobody wants it.

I think you are trying to say"Although you are right but I don't give a ****"

Anyone who Israel does business with (about the entire world) won't attack them due to the benefits that Israeli technology brings them. Only Iran would be moronic enough to fight Israel, and that war would be over quickly.

You are forgetting about Muslim countries.

took this from your profile page punisher. I have many times talked with Palestinians and have myself condemned Israel for some actions taken which I viewed to be out of hand. However have your truly looked at the Israeli side of the story? How afraid they must be to have rockets raining down on their heads? 'Cause if not than I implore you to remove this sentence from your profile page, as you would not be taking your own advice.

I've heard this Israeli side of story and I still say that they are agressors.

You can't take what happened from the future and then state that it could happen. That's counter factual history. No other links?

This link will help you.

10% overall. Not 10% in certain districts, which had Jewish majorities.

Yes they made a minority in overall. Did not they?and not a very significent minority.

Hamas won the last elections by a mere 3% margin, without even 50% of the vote. Furthermore, current trends show Hamas' support has dwindled.

Here again.

In fact, in July 2009, Khaled Meshal, Hamas's political bureau chief, stated Hamas's willingness to cooperate with a resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict which included a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders, provided that Palestinian refugees be given the right to return to Israel and that East Jerusalem be recognized as the new state's capital.

Clearly, this shows waning support for violence amongst the Palestinians, and even amongst Hamas.

An act of desperation Like "Better than nothing".

I'm not disputing that. I am putting forth a point that the USA provided most of the weaponry, and the training.

This I will not negate.

In the eyes of the majority of the world's nations, it isn't.

In majority of muslims eyes it is.