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cddm95ace
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I saw somebody say this on a thread a while back, and just remembered it, "It would be better to reign in hell that serve in heaven."

That's not word for word, and I don't remember who said it, but that is the just of it.

This seems ridiculous to me for several reasons. First, no one will reign in hell, not even Satan himself after God casts him back to hell permanently in the second coming. In hell, you will not have any other human contact, and be forever tortured with the worst pain imaginable, and every second will feel like an hour, and every day like a year.
In heaven, you will be a servant of God, but you will want to serve Him. It will not be like being a slave, heaven will be perfect, everything you've ever wanted times ten, with no pain, sadness, or boredom.

In my opinion, that statement is horribly false, but what do you guys think?

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nichodemus
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Being a gay is unnatural plain and simple.


How is this relevant to any of the debate on hand?

If being gay is unnatural then well God must have made a freaking huge mistake, because there is documented proof of 1500 species engaging in homosexual activity. Unnatural? Ooops, someone slipped up there.
thepunisher93
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Unnatural for humans
That is why he punished loot's people.
Can u give any source about those 1500 species.

Kasic
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Unnatural for humans


Again, obviously it's not, or it wouldn't happen so often.

As for your source request, you can use google I assume? I don't have much time before school so here's wikipedia, use their links if you're one of those who thinks it's 100% wrong all the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
nichodemus
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Right, I created another thread before we deviate. See you guys there.

thepunisher93
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Again, obviously it's not, or it wouldn't happen so often.

It bcame wide spread in late 20th century b4 that it was very less.
crazyape
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idiots


It takes a true fool to be undiscerning about the difference between a plural and a singular. That, or you made a typo.

Anyways....

Jesus Christ didn't come to condemn the world but to save it


Personally, I believe in this, but have an argument against it. How come he condemned a buncha people then? Read the whole bible, hm?

Enter the topic with at LEAST an iota of sensitivity, moreso humbleness and moreso general politeness.


Practice what you preach, sonny.

Say God was benevolant


In the words of W.C. Fields, "There's a sucker born every minute."

Do you actualy believe this?

While you and I are born with sick, twisted, animalistic minds that can't quite comprehend being gay. Exactly.


We understand each-other.

Interesting argument. But! do you think you'll have choices in hell? Depends on the very concept of hell I suppose, but most often I don't think it involves a lot of liberty


Well, if you go willingly, or request a transafer from Heaven, I'm sure you get special privileges.

can not make mistakes

Then how do you explain Hitler, Obama, and myself?

so unless you feel like eternal pain, start changing your ideals.


Love is war, buddy. Now, look at your life....Could you do better?

It's sad that anyone would choose a free life on earth with a result of eternity in Hell


You notice the lack of people who believe in God, right?
Highfire
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God has a reason for everything,

It's a shame he's so ignorant to us that he can't be bothered sharing his "divine wisdom".

and as I suppose you know, can not make mistakes.

The Crusades
Hundred Years War
Dark Ages...
uh-huh.

So if someone was born with disabilities, it isn't like God somehow left them on their own.

So yeah, it's just an unfair and unreasonable disadvantage to someone who's done nothing -- sounds more like life than a benevolent and kind being.

you are seriously forgetting something when you made that post about making your own decisions in eternity, so unless you feel like eternal pain, start changing your ideals.

"Start believing the right thing or be tortured in eternal fire."

Sounds more like the strength in your argument is the enforced consequences, not the reason behind it itself.

God doesn't want anyone to go to Hell.

He's perfectly alright with us believing in him without reason... right.

He created us to bring him glory!

What an arrogant and unjustified fool.

But our selfish sinfulness is the reason we deserve Hell.

*Your.

You do not speak for me or anyone else on this thread (as far as I know).

Hell wasn't created for humans anyways,

Bollocks.
The whole thing, as far as is most reasonably known is a philosophy made BY humans, the intended target is what is actually real -- humans.

it was created for Lucifer and the angels tht rebelled against God.

Wrong.
For the previous reason -- but also that Lucifer would be doing a fantastic job punishing those who should be wrong if they're there.

The bible says it is God's wish for everyone to come to faith in him.

Incase you didn't know, I can shoot electricity from my hands and conjure water from the hairs stemming down my back. I don't have any proof, but I think you should believe me on this.

Oh, and only rarely I won't punish you incredibly harshly for not doing that... figured you should know that -- how wonderful am I?

But that doesn't happen, because people refuse to accept the sacrifice of Jesus.

Or they reasonably don't think it happened.

Or... a multitude of other reasons.

John 3:17 says that Jesus Christ didn't come to condemn the world but to save it.

What's your point?

All we have to do is accept Him and live for Him.

I live for me -- and my nephew... no one else. The reason I live for my nephew is because it would be unreasonable to do otherwise... living for a God? Hell no, he's done far from enough to sate my requirements to be lived for.

It's sad that anyone would choose a free life on earth with a result of eternity in Hell...

It's sad that that is the consequence in the first place. Attack the problem at the source, not counter it with cowardice.

Being a gay is unnatural plain and simple.

Be quiet, you have false knowledge on this subject -- plain and simple.

Sigh. No, it's not, or we wouldn't see it in over 1000 other species of animals. It is uncommon compared to heterosexuality, but it is not unnatural in any way.

At risk of alienating a fair few -- I'm beginning to really embrace the idea of being gay -- not me being gay but just gay people and such in general, I used to (and some of you might remember) be quite... harsh on the subject -- before I knew, but now it's more like "If you're gay then be gay about it! ^^ "

How is this relevant to any of the debate on hand?

Wait... you don't remember the acts made against gay people and etc done by the Christian Church(es)?

You know... how they can go to hell for their natural sexuality...

Unnatural for humans

Do not even attempt to push your argument to that...

That is why he punished loot's people.

Do not even attempt to justify God's stupidity and arrogance.

Can u give any source about those 1500 species.

This is how gay people feel -- not all, but this was topic of pages 9 and 10 if I remember correctly.
You try feeling an attraction to your own gender -- if you can't comprehend that, then you understand how some / most / all(?) gays feel about the different sex.

It bcame wide spread in late 20th century b4 that it was very less.

Oh right! You mean where racism / other forms of discrimination was vast, as was oppression by religion that you're so much trying to defend?

Practice what you preach, sonny.

For you? No thanks -- the first is a requirement which you have not demonstrated and have disearned, the next two are common courtesy which is not something I'm trying to throw out to you.

In the words of W.C. Fields, "There's a sucker born every minute."

Do you actualy believe this?

What relevence does this have to the discussion? That, and considering the birth rate... yeah honestly.

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crazyape
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It's a shame he's so ignorant to us that he can't be bothered sharing his "divine wisdom".


It's a shame he did't give you a little on manners, hm?

The Crusades
Hundred Years War
Dark Ages...
uh-huh.


Now, what does this really have to do with Heaven and Hell? Would you rather serve in Heaven or reign in Hell? Good examples, anyways.

Do not even attempt to justify God's stupidity and arrogance


*man's.

Be quiet, you have false knowledge on this subject -- plain and simple


Who are you to talk?

Incase you didn't know, I can shoot electricity from my hands and conjure water from the hairs stemming down my back. I don't have any proof, but I think you should believe me on this.
Oh, and only rarely I won't punish you incredibly harshly for not doing that... figured you should know that -- how wonderful am I?

If this was true, I think you'd have better things to do than discuss this.

Do not even attempt to push your argument to that...

Yes, don't. It'd be a crying shame if you disproved him so easily, and this discussion ended.

For you? No thanks -- the first is a requirement which you have not demonstrated and have disearned, the next two are common courtesy which is not something I'm trying to throw out to you

Shows you have no manners. I may not have mkanners, but I'm man enough to admit it xD

What relevence does this have to the discussion? That, and considering the birth rate... yeah honestly.


What does anything else on the discussion?

I was making a point. It's a bit stupid to beleive said idea.
Freakenstein
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Now, what does this really have to do with Heaven and Hell? Would you rather serve in Heaven or reign in Hell? Good examples, anyways.


Would you like another fallacy medal?
Highfire
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It's a shame he did't give you a little on manners, hm?

Manners on what?
And yeah -- straight up, he's indescribably hideous in every sense of the word.
Not that it actually bares ANY relevance to the strength of my argument -- which being your response, I think we both know beats yours. Unless of course you have something I actually care about to add.

Now, what does this really have to do with Heaven and Hell?

The fact that who goes where is determined by who is, indescribably hideous in every sense of the word.

Would you rather serve in Heaven or reign in Hell? Good examples, anyways.

You fail... the relevance again... :/

*man's.

Oh be quiet mate you're the arrogant and stupid one if you're trying to point to anyone else given your rediculous ideology of a valid point.

Who are you to talk?

Someone who... knows enough about the subject to talk about it? It's not a matter of choice, and when you put forward something incorrect and also harsh you show idiocy, quite easily.

Now who are YOU to talk down to EVERY HUMAN based on the GENERALIZED traits that many do not actually carry, hm?

If this was true, I think you'd have better things to do than discuss this.

Not really -- barring the fact that you didn't admit to anything it would be wrong of me to kill you with my powers, as much as I may feel like it now. ^^
Sadly, you don't seem to have an open mind... a shame.

Yes, don't. It'd be a crying shame if you disproved him so easily, and this discussion ended.

...
Alright, yeah, this discussions ended. No point in bothering with you, as you've shown to literally not be worth the time... sadly.

As a parting gift, here's another fallacy medal.

- H
crazyape
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Would you like another fallacy medal?


Yes, I would, in fact. Does it come with +1 internets too?

Arguement won, finally. I enjoyed the conversation, anyways.
Highfire
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Okay -- I seriously think I'm calling troll -- add that as another medal on your profile if you want...

Can someone explain to me how this kind of... logic-absent behaviour is still tolerated? Not even on the internet but being as the argument is "won" we mays we keep up this thread.

- H

MageGrayWolf
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It bcame wide spread in late 20th century b4 that it was very less.


Wrong again. There are numerous accounts of homosexual behavior through out history. Some cultures like the Spartans even encouraged it to form a close bond with their fellow soldiers during battle.

I'm also pretty sure that was your third strike.

I was making a point. It's a bit stupid to beleive said idea.


I think your point sums p religious belief quite nicely.

Yes, I would, in fact. Does it come with +1 internets too?


It more likely comes with a +1 facepalm.
thepunisher93
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Wrong again. There are numerous accounts of homosexual behavior through out history. Some cultures like the Spartans even encouraged it to form a close bond with their fellow soldiers during battle.

I did not said it was not practiced, it was practiced but not as widely as today. If u remember spartans u must remember Persia too compared to persia Spartans were a minority.
thepunisher93
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(Sorry for double post)
And they did not practiced homo sexuality.

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