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stormwolf722
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Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l

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MageGrayWolf
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Since there seems to be some misunderstanding on mutations and a confusion between this and Lamarckism. I direct you to these videos to help explain.

For those who are confused with the difference between natural selection and Lamarckism.
Lamarck vs Darwin

How mutation works.
6 -- Natural Selection Made Easy
How Evolution Works Part 4- Mutations

Dewi1066
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You're presuming the subject would survive long enough. Go above 24,000 feet and not only would digesting your food become near impossible, sleeping would be effected and that is before you get to breathing difficulty.

Go about 26,000 feet and the body will use up more oxygen than it can reasonably replace, so no amount of training will allow to survive for long at that altitude.

We can only adapt so far before the body won't go any further. You have to survive to evolve.

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Please keep in mind mutation is not THE driving force behind evolution, not only; mutation/selection (natural, sexual)/migration/genetic drift all have their impact...

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For instance if you had a child, that child will on average have about 150 mutations in his genome. However it's unlikely any of them will significantly effect his ability to survive.


So, that would apply to me?
I likely have around 150 mutations in my genome?
Can you provide sources backing this up?

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Dewi1066
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http://www.brighthub.com/science/genetics/articles/48285.aspx

MageGrayWolf
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Can you provide sources backing this up?


If the link Dewi provided isn't good enough here is an .edu site from Brown University.

https://wiki.brown.edu/confluence/display/Spring07BN0102S01/Ion+Channelopathies
MageGrayWolf
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On the subject of creationists quote mining, talkorigins has made a list of real world examples of this.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part1-1.html

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Turtelman1234
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I know the person who left this:

what beneficial mutations. there is no such thing.


(macfan1) left this thread a long time ago, but I didn't see anyone answer this and it bugged me.

Sickle cell makes you less likely to catch malaria, since it makes your blood cells smaller and an odd shape, so the mosquitoes are less likely to bite you, because that will mean less blood and we all know just how badly that mosquitoes want to become little insect-like vampires. So in Africa (since it's more likely to occur in Africans) this is a plus because those that don't have sickle cell will be more likely to be bit by the tiny vermin. Sickle cell is a mutation that is beneficial to people in Africa due to malaria carried by mosquitoes.
MageGrayWolf
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but I didn't see anyone answer this and it bugged me.


Well we did provide answers to that question.
nichodemus
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And right above your post I did. Speak like Yoda I do.

partydevil
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he already gave a example himself:


Sickle cell is a mutation that is beneficial to people in Africa due to malaria carried by mosquitoes.
Gonzomon
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There is no solid proof that evolution is real.
I think we just adapt.

partydevil
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There is no solid proof that evolution is real.
I think we just adapt.


plz. read the topic or magegraywolfs evolution bomb.

and there is thousends if not millions more proof for evolution.
MageGrayWolf
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There is no solid proof that evolution is real.
I think we just adapt.


You could at least bother to look over the FIRST PAGE before posting.
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