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stormwolf722
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Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l

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Gonzomon
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Yes, I know there are proves, I did took a look at the first page, maybe i exaggerated a bit when i said there was no solid proof, what i was trying to say its that there is no proof that fully convices me if evolution exists or not.

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there is no proof that fully convices me if evolution exists or not.


So if evolution doesn't exist, how did we all get here?
Gonzomon
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So if evolution doesn't exist, how did we all get here?

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stephenking
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Haha. Yeah, aliens are real, but evolution does exist.

Dewi1066
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So where did the aliens come from if evolution doesn't exist?

partydevil
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or maybe it was god using spore

partydevil
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danm wrong video: had to be this 1 =(

Dewi1066
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Brilliant! I love Spore, but I get bored with it when it gets to the tribe levels.

MageGrayWolf
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Yes, I know there are proves, I did took a look at the first page, maybe i exaggerated a bit when i said there was no solid proof, what i was trying to say its that there is no proof that fully convices me if evolution exists or not.


Okay that is a bit different. So use observing it occur in both laboratory and natural settings isn't enough evidence?

Instances where we have observed it listed here.
Observed Instances of Speciation

This is probably the most famous observed instance in recent years. In the lab we were even able to take an entirely different bacteria, place it in a nylon rich environment absent of it's original food source and it too evolved to be able to eat nylon as well.
Evolution and Information: The Nylon Bug

This is another observed instance in nature in recent years. We transplanted this species of Italian wall lizards and when the scientists came back years later to check on how they did, they found the lizards had evolved an entirely new method of digesting food and also changed how they behave socially.
Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home


Not enough yet? This is what's known as ring species. When a species is introduced to an obstacle such as a mountain the species can spread around it. We can observe changes (evolution) in the groups as we move around the mountain, each group next to each other is able to interbreed, but when the groups mean back up at the other end of the obstacle the groups they are unable to interbreed. This is a direct result of evolution.
Ring Species: Unusual Demonstrations of Speciation

Still not good enough for you? We can observe our common ancestry with other species by looking at out genes. We find the alterations in genes from retroviruses in the exact same place in multiple species. This can only occur if the two species shared a common ancestry who had been infected in the past and passed that alteration on to it's descendants. For example we can find such retroviral changes to the genome in both chimps and humans in the exact same place, just as would be expected if we had once shared a common ancestry.
Plagiarized Errors and Molecular Genetics
Facts Of Evolution: Retroviruses And Pseudogenes

I can even show you evidence in the fossil record if you like.
Evolution and the Fossil Record
The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence
Fossil Hominids: The Evidence for Evolution

But I have to wonder, if directly observing it in both laboratory an natural setting, observing a natural occurrence with species speciating as a result of being separated just as evolution would predict, observing how we and other animals share a common ancestry with both direct observation of the genome and further supported by the fossil record, what is enough evidence for you?
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And so what do you believe on? Religion is worse when it comes to proof.

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Evolution has many gaps,


Please elaborate. Give me some examples of these gaps.

does not answer the question of where the single most powerful species on the planet came from


If you mean us, then yes, it does.

and it requires time to have occured which just isn't there


4.5 billion years isn't enough?

"theory"


What about the "theory" of gravity? It's "just a theory" after all. Must not be true.
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relgion admits that it doesn't have the proof. where as pseudo science claims to have the proof but when questioned they reply that it will be found "later".


Still doesn't give any proof on religion's side. I would rather accept something that has quite substantial proof, than believe in something that no one has ever seen or witnessed.

It isn't pseudo science. There are limitations to science and hence there are gaps left in as scientists meticulously research to fill those gaps in. And when they say ''later'' they literally mean it; they don't jump to conclusions and state that a supernatural being created everything, but hypothesize that evolution causes it based on research. Furthermore, evolution does have plenty of substantial proof. Just go check out Mage's page, and not spit all around the place with weak reasoning.
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Evolution has many gaps


Care to answer my question as to what evidence is good enough beyond seeing it happen first hand and all those other points I listed, explained and gave links to further explaining?

does not answer the question of where the single most powerful species on the planet came from


Which species would that be?

lab conditions mean nothing. "lab" conditions can never occur in real life based upon the fact that they have a goal which is to evolve where as in real life survival is the key and survival does not always lead to evolution. Unless of course it has a scientist or other being guiding it. then it could occur within the set paramaters of time that we have found.


Wrong, The lab conditions just eliminate other variables. The actual evolution that takes place is all on the species part, unguided beyond the environment, an environment that in our lab setting is just a replica of a natural one. But even if you don't accept evolution occurring in a laboratory setting we have examples of it happening out side the lab as well, so your argument here is entirely moot.

where as pseudo science claims to have the proof but when questioned they reply that it will be found "later".


And if you bothered to not ignore what's right in front of your face, you would see the answers being given are not "later".

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New Year Brings New Attacks on Evolution in Schools


maybe in 2012 all atheist should go protest against this brainwashing in schools?
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