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stormwolf722
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Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l

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MageGrayWolf
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This is what's meant in science as a fact.

Fact; An objective, verifiable observation. They can be, and has been, verified many times.

Or to expand on the matter.

Fact: (Latin, factum something done, deed, noun use of neuter of factus done, past participle of facere to do) In a basic sense a fact is an objective, verifiable observation. It's an objective consensus on a fundamental reality that is accepted by a substantial number of people. They can be, and has been, verified many times. Scientific facts are generally believed to be independent of the observer, no matter who performs a scientific experiment, all observers will agree on the outcome. Facts are the world's data. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Also, "fact" doesn't mean "absolute certainty". In science "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be unreasonable to withhold provisional consent."

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That's cheating though isn't it? If a religion teaches that God created all and in particular that he created humans in his own image, to then say you also believe in evolution is sort of saying that you believe God exists, but you think he's lying about what he's capable of?


You obviously aren't familiar with me, Armorgames's Friendly Neighborhood Satanist. In any case, as I've previously stated, I believe that God PUT the pieces into place, then let them change on their own will. There's nothing against that, I'm just not a fan of God's theory on who should be let into Heaven.

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If a religion teaches that God created all and in particular that he created humans in his own image, to then say you also believe in evolution is sort of saying that you believe God exists, but you think he's lying about what he's capable of?


Or, you could just believe that God created all the raw material for the universe and directed its formation, and that the Bible is a fallacious attempt by humans to understand God.
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Stumbled upon this. Sharks are potentially still evolving now.

MageGrayWolf
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Sharks are potentially still evolving now.


Evolution isn't a process that just stops, all animals are still evolving.
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I know that, but it's just a more recent piece of news for Creationists to chew on.

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Evolution isn't a process that just stops, all animals are still evolving.


So what do you think is the next step for humans? And I don't mean tomorrow or in a decade, but if we're all evolving, what next for the human race?
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So what do you think is the next step for humans? And I don't mean tomorrow or in a decade, but if we're all evolving, what next for the human race?


I read in a science magazine a few months ago that out brains may have reached the peak of evolution. They have the maximum amount of neurons they can fit, if anymore were put in the signal would get too fuzzy. It's reached an ideal size, any larger and the signal between one side of the brain and the other would be too long. There were two other reasons i think, i just don't remember them.
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I read in a science magazine a few months ago that out brains may have reached the peak of evolution. They have the maximum amount of neurons they can fit, if anymore were put in the signal would get too fuzzy. It's reached an ideal size, any larger and the signal between one side of the brain and the other would be too long. There were two other reasons i think, i just don't remember them.


So perhaps our next evolution is to be augmented?
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So perhaps our next evolution is to be augmented?


I don't know what you mean, but it's not like humans haven't ever evolved. People from Africa have darker skin to protect them from the sun, people in Asia have squinty eyes because it's windy (I'm not sure this reason is right), and people from different parts of the world have immunities to different diseases that are more common there.
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Augmented, as in we add technology to ourselves, a sort of force evolution. Not in a corny 'Bionic man' way, but in a useful and productive manner.

Would that be deemed a form of evolution?

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Would that be deemed a form of evolution?


No, evolution has to done by passing off your genetics to your children, and slapping some robotic parts onto us isn't going to change our children into being born with robotic parts.
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So what do you think is the next step for humans? And I don't mean tomorrow or in a decade, but if we're all evolving, what next for the human race?


When separated populations come together, the populations become more similar. Since human populations around the world have been separated until fairly recently, causing divergence among races, I think it's likely that racial distinctions will slowly become less and less noticeable as interracial mating continues. Granted, I doubt we'll see a noticeable change in our lifetime, especially since people tend to sexually select people of their own race.

Species have had a long time to evolve and are very well adapted, so I doubt we'll see any drastic changes appear unless a radical environmental shift occurs.
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No, evolution has to done by passing off your genetics to your children, and slapping some robotic parts onto us isn't going to change our children into being born with robotic parts.


Exactly. Characteristics acquired during your lifetime are not passed on to offspring because they are not genetically determined. Unless these "augmentations" involved physically changed DNA sequencing, they would not be heritable. For example, if you have a limb amputated, your offspring will still have the correct number of limbs because your DNA codes for those traits.
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So what do you think is the next step for humans? And I don't mean tomorrow or in a decade, but if we're all evolving, what next for the human race?


If I were to guess it would likely be minor changes such as becoming more resistant to certain diseases. A bit like how roaches haven't changed much, I don't think we will either at this point.

I read in a science magazine a few months ago that out brains may have reached the peak of evolution.


There is no peak to evolution. It's not a ladder like process.

Would that be deemed a form of evolution?


That's an aspect of what's known as transhumanism.
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