So, uh, yeah, the title pretty much says it. Lots of topics turn into religion debates, so this is meant for that. Mine is Atheist. Feel free to oppose, but I'll oppose your post, too.
You did not, sir. "This world" is not specific. This galaxy is part of this world. Other galaxies are, too.
It would seem we were talking past each other than. When I said "this world" I meant the planet Earth, not the galaxy as a whole.
See above with the "BLU SWANS R reeeeeeeeal!!!1!!" basket case. Agreeing with and rejecting your point. I'm not saying it's real. I'm saying it might be and I won't reject the possibility just cos it can't be proven.
This is the part I'm not quite getting, saying "I don't believe blue swans, starships, gods exist" isn't rejecting the possibility. One doesn't have to believe these things exist to accept the possibility of them, but believing they do takes it one step further and asserts that they do indeed exist.
Something potentially relevant (despite this whole thing being somewhat off-topic), if presented with a seemingly inexplicable fictional happening and two equally possible (given the fictional setting) explanations - one decidedly supernatural and one really unusual but more scientific - I will usually like the latter better and find joy in the explainable absurdity.
A supernatural explanation would not be equal to a more scientific one. Besides the fact a scientific explanation would require at least some evidence to be based on while the supernatural one does not. The track records of each alone would be enough to tip the scale, with supernatural explanations in every single case being pushed aside for a scientific one resulting in a better understanding of our universe.
It would seem we were talking past each other than.
I think we might be doing this a lot and I'm exceptionally tired of it. If you want to continue the discussion, just start reading from the top again. It's looping.
[Okay - I judge that you're highly close-minded like most other Christians.
Just because some Christian says I am not gonna leave GOD that isn't close mindedness that is loyalty my friend and I respect that and not all Christian are closed minded as you say. I am a Christian and I am not close minded in fact I stand up to people like you who are tearing down Christians because you have nothing better to do.
[/quote]I am a Christian. Nothing you say, or do, will ever make me have second thoughts about my faith. Judge me as you wish.[quote]
the keywords are: NOTHING, and SECOND THOUGHTS.
there is a difference betwenn loyalty and choosing to not see things.
maybe that person just said things in a wrong way but it does sound close minded.
i agree about the most other christians part though. generalizing (spelled wrong?) is probably never good (i just generalized that :3)
i do agree with the rest if he did say what he means though. what if wed finally get a time machine and check what happened? he would still choose to not see that. it IS being close minded. and this comes from a religios person.
Um, quote fail? Anywho, I'm gonna try to oppose you.
i do agree with the rest if he did say what he means though. what if wed finally get a time machine and check what happened? he would still choose to not see that. it IS being close minded. and this comes from a religios person.
Well, um, I agree with that. Yup, he would still choose to say there was a God, even if everything that "happened" in the Bible isn't there.
Well, um, I agree with that. Yup, he would still choose to say there was a God, even if everything that "happened" in the Bible isn't there.
no. because he is christian. he would be able to say there is a god but if what happened in the bible never happened then being christian would be being blind
okay, after roughly 2 weeks of being dormant, and observant (The debate section started to bore me, I saw some threads actually start to repeat themselves, for the 2nd time), I have decided to jump back into the fray and see what I can or can't do to diffuse the whole situation.
first off the debate between MGW and zophia:
(sigh) I'm actually starting to get a little annoyed that whenever somebody asks "what do you believe?" there is always either the bigoted religious person, or some warhawk atheist who has to throw the thread into another never ending debate. We all know what you both believe, and no ammount of debating on this Freaking forum will ever change any of that.
you both keep arguing about how god can or cannot exist, but here's what I say: god only comes around to bother with us mortals when we truly start to piss him off (if you look at the timeline, that circumstance is usually involved in why he does anything). (on a lighter note, I'm betting the only time he will ever bother with us about now is either when nobody believes in him, or when the anti-christ is born.)
look at it this way, you don't have to believe in him, you just have to put up with him (this applies to both sides).
now I'm sure nobody will even take heed of this post, but if you do, remember that nothing you say here matters in the end.
now back onto the original topic:
I'm LDS, family raised in a huge division. my family of six has 2 baptists (my dad, and oldest sister), 2 1/2 LDS (my 2nd sister, my mom, and I'm half because I'm still analyzing my beliefs and how they correspond to the religion), and 1 atheist (my brother).
We all know what you both believe, and no ammount of debating on this Freaking forum will ever change any of that.
Actually, it did have a role to play in me giving up my Buddhist faith.
you don't have to believe in him, you just have to put up with him
If I don't believe, why would I have to put up with Him? I don't want to put up with a God whose religion dictates that non-believers like me need to burn for eternity.
god only comes around to bother with us mortals when we truly start to piss him off (if you look at the timeline, that circumstance is usually involved in why he does anything). (on a lighter note, I'm betting the only time he will ever bother with us about now is either when nobody believes in him, or when the anti-christ is born.)
That is still based on the assumption that God exists.
