So, uh, yeah, the title pretty much says it. Lots of topics turn into religion debates, so this is meant for that. Mine is Atheist. Feel free to oppose, but I'll oppose your post, too.
We fear God because, really, someone who has no fear for God whatsoever will have no want to do what God wants them to. Like, if someone who has no fear for there parents because they think they're better or have no reason to fear their parents does whatever they want, if that makes sense. It's supposed to be out of love. Not hiding in your homes thinking God will strike you down with lightning. :P
Like, if someone who has no fear for there parents because they think they're better or have no reason to fear their parents does whatever they want, if that makes sense.
I don't fear my parents, I love them, and I'm an obedient chap. Love born out of fear is really contradictory and seems forced to me; a little like in a totalitarian regime where you love your leaders because you fear them.
If you love someone, why would you fear them? Seems to me that the fear is just to control the people. It goes both ways, not just the love out of fear way.
not to mention that if im not wrong christians believe that we are all sinners anyway. its a pretty pesimistic thought XP
I got to say that's a pretty interesting one. You humble yourself to the point of thinking your worthless scum but at the same time are so incredibly arrogant to the point of thinking your hand picked be an all mighty being and the whole universe was created for you.
Like, if someone who has no fear for there parents because they think they're better or have no reason to fear their parents does whatever they want, if that makes sense.
If you're like, two. Don't you think people mature? You should do the right thing because that is the right thing to do. It's as simple as that.
Fear out of love.
Like...angry wife because you forgot her birthday...? That's the only kind of "fear out of love" I can think of. Not quite the same with God though...
Lot...He was the one with the daughter sex? How is that not going against god? It isn't even seen as a bad thing? I could see his wife looking back at everything she knew and love for a second and being horribly killed (Did Lot even tell his wife not to look back?) would be "Don't disobey god" but the whole thing with his daughters, and offering them to people who where threatening to have forced sexual intercourse with angles as good, which many modern people find insane or disgusting.
HE WAS DRUNK ARE YOU BLIND But its been awhile since I read the bit where he offers his daughters to strangers so I really can't remember what happened with that.
But its been awhile since I read the bit where he offers his daughters to strangers so I really can't remember what happened with that.
Nothing, the mob turned his offer down, broke into Lot's place tried to grab the angels and the angels being sent from the all merciful loving God went "your all going to die".
Remember if you take in a couple of strangers and an mob comes to your door looking for them, do the God approved moral thing and offer up your virgin daughters to be ***** by the mob instead.
And daughters if you've just escaped your all loving God's mass genocide, that God won't look twice as you **** your father, just don't look back or your screwed.
The same reason Jesus supposedly taught with parables. The stories were made up, but it's the message that was important.
Kind of like an ancient episode of the A-Team then? (The '80s version, not the recent film)
but i do belive in the christian god and i have a strong fear of god
I don't understand that at all, what exactly is there to fear? The number of times I've debated with people about free will, namely the reason God doesn't stop the bad things happening is because he gave us free will. Yet you fear he'll do something directly to you if you do something against his will? Doesn't make sense?
I don't understand that at all, what exactly is there to fear? The number of times I've debated with people about free will, namely the reason God doesn't stop the bad things happening is because he gave us free will. Yet you fear he'll do something directly to you if you do something against his will? Doesn't make sense?
i dont think anyone fears god right now. the fear is about the eternal flames of hell. and when you add the belief that everyone is a sinner that deserves it it makes sense
But in the end, why be afraid of him? If you don't do anything wrong, why go through life fearing Him? I just find it strangely odd.
again, the belief that we are all sinners. and the fear that the little doubt you might have will be counted as disloyalty. these are just theories of what i think. you dont get a free ticket to heaven (correct me if im wrong i really dont know that much about christianity) and you can never be 100% sure that you will go to heaven. after all, you are still a sinner.
Eh, not really. I don't consider myself 100% holy and pure and I think he loves me, and I love him. I'm sure there are a lot more like me, because I've come across priest how preach that instead of fearing; so it's likly the love thing is common. Although there are many who think he loves you and you should be fearful, which I find a little confusing.
because you are lucky. you are christian, you believe in jesus, you have no doubt (my guess), and you probably have none of the traits that are considered immoral by christianity (another guess).
OR as i said. some people lie to themselves and have troubles even realising what they feel. when that little doubt is felt they push it aside right away. its something we all do in many different situations in our lives.
(Not saying you as in you personally.)
noticed since im not christian XD.
and i disagree with the fear thing. healthy love is not born out of fear and fear should not be born out of love. fear and love are 2 different "tools" that you can use to make people listen to you. if a child was taught that he should listen to god or else he will fear him and become close minded and push away any small thing that might cause doubt.
but you feel comfortable when doubting something that you love, knowing that nothing will happen to you if you do doubt it. those people eventually become open minded and are able to have many friends with many different bleives, listen to them and logically explain what they think.
fear is the easy way to get what you want and nothing more. love is the harder way that can eventually help both sides.
because you are lucky. you are christian, you believe in jesus, you have no doubt (my guess), and you probably have none of the traits that are considered immoral by christianity (another guess). OR as i said. some people lie to themselves and have troubles even realising what they feel. when that little doubt is felt they push it aside right away. its something we all do in many different situations in our lives.
Wait, what? I don't really get what you mean by this. I just, have no reason to fear going to hell. I want to be a good person. I like helping others. The way I've been taught my God loves me, and I love him. I'm not saying that there isn't a chance I won't go to hell. I have no idea where I'll go and I'm not going to put a percentage on it.
so your not afraid of the person who might burn you for eternity? besides, im talking about those who cant help it. for example those who were taught a different religion or homosexuals (idk any more examples since i dont know much about christianty).
you believe that your god loves you yet you are not sure if he will burn you or not? please explain
besides, im talking about those who cant help it. for example those who were taught a different religion or homosexuals
What do you mean... I don't believe people will be judged based on their religion, or how they were born.
you believe that your god loves you yet you are not sure if he will burn you or not? please explain
I'm not sure because I'm not sure how he will choose. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. I'm not claiming to know for sure whether my demonination is right or not. I'm not even claiming that I know that any other religious beliefs are wrong. I'm just saying that this is what I believe. Do I have proof? No. So should I let it affect the rest of my life? No. I can't claim to know, only to believe.
