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akeman64
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Any thoughts/concerns on iran. they sentenced an American to death today and we confirmed they are working on nukes at an underground location. Should we do anything to stop them? or just let them be?

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partydevil
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There is precedent for pre-emptive strikes. A country obtaining nuclear weapons which could be used to destroy your country would be considered a threat to the survival of said country. This country could then attack the country obtaining the nukes.


that country is not usa in this case. it's not their problem.
zakyman
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Peasant

that country is not usa in this case. it's not their problem.


Again, it's not illegal for a country to ask an ally for aid in a war.
devsaupa
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that country is not usa in this case. it's not their problem.


Again, it's not illegal for a country to ask an ally for aid in a war.


US would get involved anyway. The government wouldn't be able to resist. They can smell chances to interfere in someone else's battles. I would truely like to see the USA sit back and watch instead of getting involved. Of course, if Israel asks, then that's different. America would have to oblige.
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US would get involved anyway. The government wouldn't be able to resist. They can smell chances to interfere in someone else's battles. I would truely like to see the USA sit back and watch instead of getting involved. Of course, if Israel asks, then that's different. America would have to oblige.


that all depends on how misinformed our nation is. the chances of it happening also depend on who is our president after the elections. some will oppose it (ron paul specifically), and others will be for it. if israel asks, then most likely, we will jump into the fray like wolves. I bet though that israel won't dare ask just yet, they don't want to risk alienation by the UN.

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zakyman
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I bet though that israel won't dare ask just yet, they don't want to risk alienation by the UN.


Israel is already obsessed over by the UN. Attacking Iran because they were obtaining nukes might actually gain them some favor, as countries that traditionally don't exactly like them (Saudi Arabia) are afraid of a nuclear Iran.
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I'm rolling my eyes at the hypocrisy. Israel has nukes which the countries of ME would surely consider as a threat yet they aren't going to invade anytime soon. If Israel refuses to give up nukes I see no reason why Iran should not be allowed nukes, of which there is little evidence they are making.

Also regarding your article Zaky, people often underestimate how much power the Iranian President really has. He still struggles against the strong and powerful clerics who can overrule him. Also, the Iranian military might have large numbers of men but is very backward in it's equipment. It might be capable of funding terrorists groups but the threats it issues are often a lot of hot air and bluster.

partydevil
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Again, it's not illegal for a country to ask an ally for aid in a war.


just because Israel asks for help doesn't mean that it automatically needs to be granted.


what your going to choose?

btw in the end it's up to israel to attack iran whit the help of usa if it is granted. it's not up to the usa to say we need to attack iran because they maybe go make nukclear weapons.
zakyman
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I'm rolling my eyes at the hypocrisy. Israel has nukes which the countries of ME would surely consider as a threat yet they aren't going to invade anytime soon. If Israel refuses to give up nukes I see no reason why Iran should not be allowed nukes, of which there is little evidence they are making


We've had this discussion previously Nicho. If I start telling everyone that if I get a large rock, I'm going to pound your face in, and you already have many large rocks, however you simply keep them to hopefully prevent others from attacking you, would you want me to get a large rock? I don't think so.

I have already attempted to prove to you that Israel has never ever called for the destruction of any country, while Iran has been longing for the death of the "Zionist regime" ever since it became an islamic republic. You have simply countered with, "It's hypocrisy! It's hypocrisy!"

It might be capable of funding terrorists groups but the threats it issues are often a lot of hot air and bluster.


That doesn't mean that one day they won't act on their threats.
partydevil
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Jester

That doesn't mean that one day they won't act on their threats.


that doesn't mean that you have to kill every1 that makes a threat.
zakyman
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that doesn't mean that you have to kill every1 that makes a threat.


I never said that you had to kill everyone who makes a threat...
partydevil
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I never said that you had to kill everyone who makes a threat...


but you are eager to kill people in iran for that reason.
nichodemus
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Nope in this case Iran hasn't said "I'm goin to develop nukes to bomb Israel.". Iran might have called for destruction of Israel for thirty years but it has not issued such a threat of nuclear warfare.

And it still us hypocrisy on the part of Israel. If thy would like a nuclear free ME they cannot only expect others to comply while hoarding nukes and maintaining a double standard that makes people snort. Furthermore numerous US leaders have called for the bombing of Iran, Gingrich has if I'm not wrong, so why should Iran put up with it? And Israel itself has carried out preemptive strikes numerous times which strikes me as pretty hypcocritical.

EmperorPalpatine
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but it has not issued such a threat of nuclear warfare.

That would be political suicide. They want to be able to have nukes. If they proudly say that they'll use them, then they're not getting any. It's like if you go to a gun shop and tell the clerk that you're going to shoot your annoying neighbor.
nichodemus
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That would be political suicide. They want to be able to have nukes. If they proudly say that they'll use them, then they're not getting any. It's like if you go to a gun shop and tell the clerk that you're going to shoot your annoying neighbor.


Has Iran said anything about wanting nukes? I doubt so. They have all along stated they want to use it for energy and medical purposes.

Either way, yes it would be suicide for them to even attempt to launch a nuke IF they had one.
zakyman
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but you are eager to kill people in iran for that reason.


I just said that if Iran gets a nuke than there will be a war.


And it still us hypocrisy on the part of Israel. If thy would like a nuclear free ME they cannot only expect others to comply while hoarding nukes and maintaining a double standard that makes people snort.


Fine. How about every Middle East country including Iran signs an unconditional peace treaty with Israel, and then they will give up their nukes. Also, Hamas and every other terrorist organization must refrain from attacking Israel, otherwise they would be allowed to have nukes again. It is not unreasonable to want peace, so why not have an enforcing factor (nukes) on your side?
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