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Fine. How about every Middle East country including Iran signs an unconditional peace treaty with Israel, and then they will give up their nukes. Also, Hamas and every other terrorist organization must refrain from attacking Israel, otherwise they would be allowed to have nukes again. It is not unreasonable to want peace, so why not have an enforcing factor (nukes) on your side?

It is not unreasonable to want peace, so why not have an enforcing factor (nukes) on your side?

Why must it always be the other ME countries who have to kickstart the peace process and make concessions to Israel in your view? Why not Israel do something?

They have oppressed the Palestinian people long enough and prevent them from returning to their own homeland, and then artificially boost the Jewish nature of Israel and arm it with nukes.

They are not one of the countries in the ME and any peace treaties with other nations should not be halted because of them. If such conditions are to be met, then what about the Israeli side?

Why is it that when Israel builds nukes, it's peace, but when the other Arab nations want to pursue nukes, it's state terrorism and a call for Israel to bomb their nuclear facilities which little evidence shows to be military sites?

In this game of chess, if Israel continues to cling on to its nukes, it cannot call other nations to not pursue their own, because their own nukes are potentially as much threat to the Arab nations.

Because Israel has made many attempts at goodwill, only to have them thrown back in its face by the Arabs! The Gaza Strip is a perfect example. Israel gave the Pals some land to see if they could behave themselves, and in return they get rockets launched at them daily.

Israel wants peace, and it has shown it time after time. Whenever they grant a precondition to negotiation, the Pals always come back for more. Recently, they said the would not negotiate unless Israel recognised that the Pals could have the pre-1967 borders! Wow! We can sit down at the table, and have nothing to negotiate about! How fun!

I am going to say this again. When you lose land after an agressive war, it is not your land. You cannot whine and say, "We want our land back!" No. You attacked, you lost. When you lose the game on your own terms, it is your fault. If Israel gave back ALL the land, they would be a few towns scattered about Israel right now.

Recently, they said the would not negotiate unless Israel recognised that the Pals could have the pre-1967 borders! Wow! We can sit down at the table, and have nothing to negotiate about! How fun!

Because Israel is paranoid, and rightfully so. You would be too if you have pretty much been in an on/off state of war since you existed.

Fine, if you want to &quotlay chess" than what Israel is doing is keeping its queen safe, and blocking the pawns from promotion.

One day, please pick up a book on International Law. Or read up the Fourth Geneva Accords. Which clearly states that land conquered, by no matter what means, is illegal. There's no more ''Winners Keepers, Losers Weepers'' in today's world, unless you want ever more world opinion against you, and increasing isolation which Israel is always ready to blame on others hating it. They hate it, because they can and rightly do so.

@Blade I guess I was trying to say that most of the general population has no idea what Iran is REALLY capable of. China is a ally to Iran as is Russia. USA, Isreal, NATO vs. Iran, Russia, China. Most people also dont know they hacked into our most sophisticated drone and landed it safely themselves. That is why the drone was in perfect condition. All I am saying is I wish ppl were more aware of how potentially DANGEROUS it could be going to war with iran. That's all. Trust me, I don't want any WW3 or any war for that matter. We shall see what happens. Only time will tell.

Okay, based on nich's and zak's argument, this is what I've gathered.

Nich, I read the link, and zak is in the right on this one, but the nukes are still a problem. you can't really say that you are going to be peaceful when you have an axe brandished and ready to strike.

One must also not forget that Israel refused to offer a 100% land swap that the Palestinians agreed to. One must also not forget that Israel has continuously built more and more settlements yet claims to want to give back the PLO land. One must also not forget that Hamas is not entirely representative of the Palestinian people and are losing support.

Since Israel already has nukes, and clearly refuses to give them up, how can Israel now blame Iran for ''keeping its queen safe''?

Actually no. The Israeli High Court itself recognize that they are not part of Israel tself. Furthermore Wen the Israelis claim that the land had NEVER been under a sovereign state before that is false. Although Jordan occupied these before the six day war, but prior to that Thr Palestinians had control over that land or a shirt period of time.

Furthermore although Israel claims to have given the land back to the PLO I have linked an article before showing that Israel itself is actively governing nearly 50% of the land and are just lying to the world.


Blade regarding the 100% swap I don't think yu know the context since it was from another thread. The Pals had offered to swap land for 100% of the Gaza Strip if I'm not wrong for ab equal amount of land they had which the Israelis rejected.

Then how can Israel say it wants peace when it has hundreds of axes and HAS already struck before?

bladeruner679, so even though america has fought incredibly unpopular wars and gome against the UN's findings of wmd's in Iraq we are still one of the big 5 in the UN. so if we started it i still think the UN would do nothing. But how can The Us be okay with them utting one of our citizens to death just after we rescued there people 2 times in the past week. America is making the attempt to be civil and have decent relation.I just think that it's messed up after we help them and their people that they screw one of our people over and will kill him. I am a moderate in political views and lean toward a the liberal side on more issues and did support obama. But I think obama really needs to step up his game on being tougher. He kind of is looking soft when dealing with Iran. Now we shouldn't drop a nuke on them, but he ASK?? for our drone back and hasn't said anything to save our citizens. He needs to grow a pair and not drop bombs, but not get train rolled over.

o and blade that was on an earlier post haha 1st page

but he ASK?? for our drone back and hasn't said anything to save our citizens. He needs to grow a pair and not drop bombs, but not get train rolled over.

America is making the attempt to be civil and have decent relation

but prior to that Thr Palestinians had control over that land or a shirt period of time.

Then how can Israel say it wants peace when it has hundreds of axes and HAS already struck before?

Why iran wants to destroy israel?
Bcoz it seez jews as invaders, and wants to purge them from ME, so that they can be replaced by muslims.
If iran nuked istael, it will make that land unhabitable for centuries and not to mntion it will kill many muslims(as israel is not a very big of a state and there is no way to contain nuclear fallout, chernobyl's fallout was even noted in sweden or switzerland{always mess up b/w both countries})

How can the Palestinians say they want peace if they keep launching rockets into Israel and suicide bombing them? CLEARLY this is a sign of NEVER EVER wanting to have peace, or, at least according to you it is.

this
says something about muslims in israel.

Last line says it all too.

Michaeli has drawn fire for her sponsorship of legislation to limit the volume of the Muslim call to prayer, a bill she said was intended to tackle noise pollution but which sparked allegations of racism and discrimination.