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DSM
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http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/13/us/video-marines-urinating/index.html?hpt=ias_c1

I want to hear your opinions about this. So far in the original video, there is only supportive people about this. After my opinion this is inhuman.

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There's strategically using the bodies of the opposing sides fallen comrades and there's desecrating a corpse - booby-trapping a body to ensure that you take down more members of the enemy is perfectly acceptable but urinating upon a corpse serves no militarily-relevant purpose

Are you insane? That corpse isn't a weapon to be used. That is the remains of a son, father, husband, friend. Lets put it this way, if you died would you like to be brought back to your family or blown to pieces to kill your friends. And I think you will find that the Geneva Convention says that it is not acceptable. These are real people, you are not simply gaining experience on a video game. Urinating on a corpse is bad, but is what you should expect when the publi (i.e you) always sympathise with a heartless enemy but see fallen soldiers as a statistic and feel no remorse. Why? Because this is a subject in which you have no knowledge.

they didnt tell to the public because it a lie. The military will tell anything to a soldier, to make them heartless towards the enemy

My friends have seen such acts and not just against soldiers, but the Taliban are also in-human to their own countrymen. American soldiers may be made to be heartless but as a British soldier I can tell you that my mission is to bring peace to a country. I just completed some training to prepare me. We arrested more people then we fired at. We do not go there on a killing spree.

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Are you insane? That corpse isn't a weapon to be used. That is the remains of a son, father, husband, friend.


I'm not insane at all, in fact, I think you'll find that what I pointed out about using corpses as weapons is actually quite a smart and strategically-minded move. I never there was anything 'nice' about it, nor anything respectful, but it makes sense in a combat environment where the goal is to neutralize as many of the enemy as possible - whether that be through capture or elimination.

Further more, the 'heartless enemy' element is entirely subjective and depends upon which side you're teaming with/backing, American soldiers have been accused of being every bit as heartless as the various 'heartless' enemies they've fought over the years.
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Further more, the 'heartless enemy' element is entirely subjective and depends upon which side you're teaming with/backing, American soldiers have been accused of being every bit as heartless as the various 'heartless' enemies they've fought over the years.


You are quite right, but as I said before I am not American, but I will be the first to admit that the British haven't always been golden either. However, I think you can agree that the Taliban are not a force for good. They opress their people and prevent the country from progressing. They then kill anyway who stands up to them.

Though you probably won't know this as most only remember Afghanistan as a poor country occupied by people with little clothing or valubales. However, before the Taliban, it was a civilised country and was close to your own home, with respectable, law abiding citizens simply working and living a normal life. That is the life these people want back, but the Taliban will not allow it. That shows that they are quite heartless.
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A good example is this. Afghanistan once had hopes to host the olympics. Then the Taliban took control. Olympic swimming pools were then used to execute people. Victims would be tied up, taken to the highest diving board, and thrown off to fall to their deaths.

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Though you probably won't know this as most only remember Afghanistan as a poor country occupied by people with little clothing or valubales. However, before the Taliban, it was a civilised country and was close to your own home, with respectable, law abiding citizens simply working and living a normal life. That is the life these people want back, but the Taliban will not allow it. That shows that they are quite heartless.


that what they told you.
Before taliban there was soviet invasion. Which taliban and other fighers fought. And the americans supported them. When the soviet retreated. USA lost the interest in afghanistan and afterward abandon them.
Those fighters started to fight each other and ****, sell drugs and alot more. Then the talibans came and brought peace. I admit the method and their ideology is strict, but they accomplished something the afghans wanted.(security)
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My friends have seen such acts

yeah right. The next thing you gonna tell me, is that you actually is a ex taliban member...
volcanboy
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Stop with this, "thats what they told you", you fool! I studied History at A-Level. My knowledge did not come from the army, I found it from my own research. I can see that you believe soldiers are failures who couldn't achieve at anything else. You are deeply mistaken.

I am aware of the Soviet invasion, which led to their defeat but also ruined the country. It was before the invasion that Afghanistan was a civilised country. However, the Taliban did not fix it, the Afghans were sill under threat, but now the enemy was their own people.

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yeah right. The next thing you gonna tell me, is that you actually is a ex taliban member


I don't actually know how to answer this comment. Do you understand what me and my colleagues do for a living. We have been to this country. We base our opinions on experience. You base yours on secondary sources, and, no doubt, your "triumphs" on call of duty.

You really are naive.
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I have to agree with Vulcan you can't really make a better argument unless you've been there.

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I am aware of the Soviet invasion, which led to their defeat but also ruined the country. It was before the invasion that Afghanistan was a civilised country. However, the Taliban did not fix it, the Afghans were sill under threat, but now the enemy was their own people.


what is your point.
1. The taliban didnt exist before the soviet invasion.
2. You basically accused the taliban for ruining the country. Which is not true. They came and made peace by defeating the warlords.

but now the enemy was their own people.

After the soviet war. The enemy was their own people, but then taliban came and defeated those warlords and made peace...
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how laughable. You dont know me, and yet you say such thing to me. In fact I have been in that country for your concern...

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When i said the enemy was their own people, I was reffering to the Taliban. Answer me this, if the Taliban were doing such a good job, why are we there to provide security and stability?

how laughable. You dont know me, and yet you say such thing to me. In fact I have been in that country for your concern...


Interesting. Why were you there?
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When i said the enemy was their own people, I was reffering to the Taliban. Answer me this, if the Taliban were doing such a good job, why are we there to provide security and stability?


because you invaded afghanistan after 9/11. And took the taliban away from the power. And now you there to protect those who choices to work with the government...

Interesting. Why were you there?

why not, is it illegal.
volcanboy
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why not, is it illegal


No, but I don't think its near the top of list of places to go on holiday.
DSM
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No, but I don't think its near the top of list of places to go on holiday.

1. it off topic
2. In fact some places is actually beautiful.
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