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DSM
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http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/13/us/video-marines-urinating/index.html?hpt=ias_c1

I want to hear your opinions about this. So far in the original video, there is only supportive people about this. After my opinion this is inhuman.

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Dewi1066
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Do u have proof other wise?
if not than shutup.
Cuz proof only comes when **** happens


Yes, I do have proof. I wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise.



Here's a quote from that article in case you can't be bothered reading it:

The jail has five wings. Three of them were dedicated to political prisoners, an indication of the repressive nature of Taliban rule. Prisoners starved to death, Turkestani said, especially those in the political wings.

Salay Mohammed, the new warden of the Kandahar Central Jail, confirmed that the Taliban and their foreign backers tortured people regularly. He has direct knowledge -- he was a prisoner of the Taliban for 25 days.


None of this excuses the abuses of Taliban prisoners by the US forces or the British forces. It doesn't mean for a second that what happened in Guantanamo was right or just. All it indicates is that all sides do this type of thing during a war.

My personal opinion is that neither the US forces or the British forces have any right to try and force through regime change in Afghanistan, particularly by force, but I'm guessing you'll ignore this paragraph to try and argue that my link is invalid. Not to worry though, I have plenty more that illustrate the mindless violence and torture techniques used by both sides in this pointless conflict.
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As ur link states they were tortured for interrogation,
Not just humiliated for no reason what so ever.

Dewi1066
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As ur link states they were tortured for interrogation,
Not just humiliated for no reason what so ever.


You didn't read it all did you? The link doesn't state they tortured just for interrogation purposes, it explains a lot more, but hold on... didn't you say earlier:

Tell me what inhuman dealing did with your soldiers?
They fight with honor and treat their POWs rightly.
They don't have guantanamo bay or abughuraib jail.
They never stuffed people n metalic containers and neither did they did that dead man's dance thing.


All of which have been disproved by one link. I'll happily supply more if that isn't to your liking, but I suspect you'll argue each one whilst conveniently ignoring your original statement.

If you read my previous post properly, you'll understand where I'm coming from.
Dewi1066
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And anyone who decides to pick up the Taliban link and use it to justify the actions of either the US forces or the British, please read this first:

thepunisher93
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There is a difference b/w interrogation and out right humiliation and mistreatment
Nazis were not bad cuz they interrogated but bcoz they used ppl for experimentation
BTW u should read this

Dewi1066
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BTW u should read this


Gladly, as long as you're happy to read this
thepunisher93
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I know what stockholm syndrome is,
but there have been a stockholm syndrome if they would have treated her badly.
secondly, they did not abduct her or made her a hostage, she was a prisoner for living illegally in there country.(They ruled it then)

Dewi1066
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I know what stockholm syndrome is,
but there have been a stockholm syndrome if they would have treated her badly.
secondly, they did not abduct her or made her a hostage, she was a prisoner for living illegally in there country.(They ruled it then)


She was held against her will which made her a hostage of the Taliban. Irrelevant of whether they were the legitimate authority of the time. In the link you posted it states:

Qudratullah Jamal, the Taliban's information minister, expressed the suspicion that Ridley was possibly a member of a military "special forces" unit like the British SAS. It was also suggested that she and other westerners could be kept by the Taliban as hostages.


If she was a hostage, she was susceptible to Stockholm Syndrome.

Whether that is the case or not is another matter, but I've read the Qu'ran and it didn't inspire me to convert to Islam. Perhaps she read something into it that I missed, or perhaps she had Stockholm Syndrome. Unfortunately neither of us know for a fact what caused her to convert.
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Whether that is the case or not is another matter, but I've read the Qu'ran and it didn't inspire me to convert to Islam. Perhaps she read something into it that I missed, or perhaps she had Stockholm Syndrome. Unfortunately neither of us know for a fact what caused her to convert.

I never tried to imply that she converted bcoz of their well treatement but still it comes in mind that what made her do that not some mistreatment perhaps.
Qudratullah Jamal, the Taliban's information minister, expressed the suspicion that Ridley was possibly a member of a military "special forces" unit like the British SAS. It was also suggested that she and other westerners could be kept by the Taliban as hostages.

If she was a hostage, she was susceptible to Stockholm Syndrome

notice the words could be
She was held against her will which made her a hostage of the Taliban. Irrelevant of whether they were the legitimate authority of the time. In the link you posted it states:

she was a prisoner not hostage period.
DSM
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I searched in youtube and this what I found about her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkN6P8Bp7jE&list=HL1326559453&feature=mh_lolz
Talibans are bad when it comes to prisoners. Who give a key to the prisoner ^^

Dewi1066
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she was a prisoner not hostage period.


We can argue semantics, but she was still susceptible to Stockholm Syndrome due to her ordeal.

Whether the Taliban treated her with the utmost respect, fed her well or even held a festival for her, it bears no relevance to the treatment of others. Likewise with the US forces. The way they treat one may not be the way they treat another, as history has proven time and time again.

Talibans are bad when it comes to prisoners. Who give a key to the prisoner ^^


Irrelevant. As I just said, the treatment of one prisoner/hostage does not prove that they treat every captive in the same manner.
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BEFORE YOU DISAGREE WITH WHAT I SAY, JUST KNOW THAT I AM INFANTRY SOLDIER PREPARING TO GO TO AGHANISTAN. I LEARN THINGS ABOUT AFGHAN THAT IS NOT RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC

If the body of a soldier was found by the Taliban it would be brutally treated and would be recorded. We are also taught to leave a body for several days if we believe it has been touched because the Taliban will booby trap the body to kill the comrades of the fallen soldier who simply want to retrieve their friend.

If a soldier is captured then he will be tortured and executed, which will once again be recorded. Just recently we learnt that a 20 year old soldier was tortured then shot 5 times in the head with a rifle.

Frankly, the Taliban show no humanity towards us, why should we show it to them. Despite soldiers laughing when they commit acts such as this, it is simply their way of trying to brave the fear and anger they have towards such a terrible enemy that many of the AG memebers will never experience or understand, and I am glad that you won't.

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You know, it could have been photo shopped.

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There's strategically using the bodies of the opposing sides fallen comrades and there's desecrating a corpse - booby-trapping a body to ensure that you take down more members of the enemy is perfectly acceptable but urinating upon a corpse serves no militarily-relevant purpose.

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BEFORE YOU DISAGREE WITH WHAT I SAY, JUST KNOW THAT I AM INFANTRY SOLDIER PREPARING TO GO TO AGHANISTAN. I LEARN THINGS ABOUT AFGHAN THAT IS NOT RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC


they didnt tell to the public because it a lie. The military will tell anything to a soldier, to make them heartless towards the enemy.
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