I was wondering if you actually do say the Pledge. Meself, I don't. I'll stand up for it, although I don't feel like standing. My reasons? Well, for one, I don't want to pledge to a country. Don't get me wrong, I think this country is great, but I don't pledge to anything. And, second, it says "with liberty and justice for all." Really? Can homosexuals marry the person they love? Can Atheists hold a place in office in some states? We are *a little bit* far from liberty, equality, and justice for all.
Wow I never knew America was this patriotict to their country that they pledge alligence to it often!
It is required in many schools to have it said at least once a day.
I personally do not say it, nor stand for it. I don't believe that we should need to pledge allegiance to the country. It's where you were most likely born, or chose to be. I have no special feelings toward it personally. It is just another place.
I personally do not say it, nor stand for it. I don't believe that we should need to pledge allegiance to the country. It's where you were most likely born, or chose to be. I have no special feelings toward it personally. It is just another place.
Interesting. I have always seen your country more like your parent, you don't initially choose them, but assuming they where decent to you, you like them.
but assuming they where decent to you, you like them.
Well yes.
Dropping the parent metaphor, just because I don't say the pledge doesn't mean I don't care what happens in the country. I just don't think saying the pledge does anything but create annoying patriotism which causes people to think "America is the Gr8test!" instead of looking at how it actually is compared to other countries and making it better.
I pledge but only cause i want to. I never say it out loud tho. Never have since 6th grade because i just felt that saying it outloud to me is pointless. I say it in my head or have a low murmur of it.
You... you FOOL! The pledge is important. We salute the flag to honor those who gave up their lives at home to live uncomfortably in the army, and even die there. And they die, only asking in return that you love your country. That you stand up every day, put your hand in a salute or on your heart and feel proud to be in America. Would you rather salute the flag and say the Pledge of Allegiance, or have a Dictator killing you because you're poor, or they dislike you or someone in your family. The pledge is indeed important, and if you cannot see that, why live in this marvelous country? Sure, we are overpoulated, and are in a bad economy, but think of the millions of people who come to America each year because they know America will give them a better chance than their country. Saying the pledge is NOT a nuisance to do something that allows us freedom of speech, not told how to go outside every day, or what time you are allowed to go outside. The saying pledge is INDEED important.
We salute the flag to honor those who gave up their lives at home to live uncomfortably in the army, and even die there
Yes, but what's the point of doing it daily? I can understand at a funeral or for some ceremony, but in school?
That you stand up every day, put your hand in a salute or on your heart and feel proud to be in America.
Why should I feel proud to be here? I was born here. I never got to choose. Yes, there are worse places to be, but unlike 95% of all American's view, America isn't some perfect, Utopian paradise. It has its ups and it has its downs.
There's nothing to be proud -of- since it's just a place. The government is what makes it what it is.
Would you rather salute the flag and say the Pledge of Allegiance, or have a Dictator killing you because you're poor, or they dislike you or someone in your family.
Non Sequitr. Just because there may not be a pledge of allegiance doesn't mean it would be a dictator ship. Especially so since many dictators enforce loyalty ceremonies/acts.
The pledge is indeed important
How so?
why live in this marvelous country?
Because I was born here? Because I know the language? Because it would be a lot of trouble to move elsewhere?
Sure, we are overpoulated,
Hardly. America's population density is quite low in all but the major major cities.
Saying the pledge is NOT a nuisance to do something that allows us freedom of speech, not told how to go outside every day, or what time you are allowed to go outside.
The pledge doesn't make this possible. The pledge is just a repetition of words which are not true in every aspect anyways. "Freedom for all?" no there's not. "Liberty and justice?" our courts can be biased and unfair.
The saying pledge is INDEED important.
For the 3rd time, how so?
All it does it foster an inaccurate sense of patriotism which does nothing for the country, nay, it actually hurts it because we may overlook issues due to this inflated sense of patriotism which most Americans have.
And they die, only asking in return that you love your country. That you stand up every day, put your hand in a salute or on your heart and feel proud to be in America.
Cool. So we don't have to say anything then? Besides, just because I say the pledge doesn't mean I don't respect or love america. I do, I just choose not to recite the pledge. One of the things I found annoying about it was that it was mandatory, and that I had to recite it even when I was too small to know what it meant.
i've seen this on the news before... taking the line "under god" out of the ledge cuz it was "offensive"
I don't consider it offensive. But then again I think some other things are offensive that other people don't think of it as offensive. there we're even.
taking the line "under god" out of the ledge cuz it was "offensive"
It's not offensive in any sense of the word.
Should it be in there? No. Was it in there originally? No. Should we take it out? Yes. Do people cry about things which are actually of little importance? Yes.
Because I was born here? Because I know the language? Because it would be a lot of trouble to move elsewhere?
But think of the millions of people move here each year from countries that speak different languages. America's national language is English, but it would be a normal day to walk into someone who spoke Japenese or African or Spanish.
Non Sequitr. Just because there may not be a pledge of allegiance doesn't mean it would be a dictator ship. Especially so since many dictators enforce loyalty ceremonies/acts.
Yes, but I was making a point that all the army asks is that we say the pledge in their honor, and at that point they are willing to go into battle and get killed in action. We do so little for their tremendous sacrifice, and you still say it's too much. And, saying the pledge helps the army's morale. Without it, we probably would've lost some other wars. If you were gloomy all the time you wouldn't protect yourself as well, would you?
No, but we could lose some battles. Sometimes soldier need to be reminded what they are fighting for. Wether it be a child their families or there very way of life.
