I was wondering if you actually do say the Pledge. Meself, I don't. I'll stand up for it, although I don't feel like standing. My reasons? Well, for one, I don't want to pledge to a country. Don't get me wrong, I think this country is great, but I don't pledge to anything. And, second, it says "with liberty and justice for all." Really? Can homosexuals marry the person they love? Can Atheists hold a place in office in some states? We are *a little bit* far from liberty, equality, and justice for all.
But think of the millions of people move here each year from countries that speak different languages.
Other countries get just as much immigration. We're not special because of that.
America's national language is English,
America has no established national language.
Yes, but I was making a point that all the army asks is that we say the pledge in their honor
Uh...the pledge doesn't have anything to do with the army specifically.
We do so little for their tremendous sacrifice, and you still say it's too much.
1) We're not the world's police. We shouldn't be in many of the places we are now anyways.
2) When did I ever say anything about the pledge being "too much?" I said it's unnecessary and fosters an annoying sense of patriotism which is unfounded and that without it we would be better off because without that we wouldn't be so blind to our own shortcomings.
And, saying the pledge helps the army's morale.
Then let them say it. It would make sense to say it in the army. We don't need to force school children to repeat it every day.
Without it, we probably would've lost some other wars.
I highly doubt that. America hasn't had many wars anyways.
Sometimes soldier need to be reminded what they are fighting for.
Because they stop to say the pledge right before they get attacked, or in combat huh? I don't think so. I also don't think they say the pledge every day in the army either, but I don't know for sure on that.
Kasic, you know what, if you cannot show any respect for your country, then MOVE! You CHOOSE not to respect us, then why argue to try and make the GOOD Americans feel bad? I'm tired of arguing with people like you, who do not know how great it is to live in a country where we can say what we want, and aren't overcharged for water, and have something like electricity, and don't get hit as often with forestfires as other countries do. You think this is just life, and it is just like this everywhere, but guess what? IT ISN'T. So grow up, realise what's happening, and show some respect for your country.
you know what, if you cannot show any respect for your country, then MOVE!
why should I move? just because I think saying the pledge is unnecessary, I have to leave my home? thats rather against the constitution, something you advocate for, as I am advocating for free speech by not saying the pledge.
then why argue to try and make the GOOD Americans feel bad?
the better term is patriotic, nothing good really happens in patriotism, except what the government says is good (brainwashing)
I'm tired of arguing with people like you, who do not know how great it is to live in a country where we can say what we want, and aren't overcharged for water, and have something like electricity, and don't get hit as often with forestfires as other countries do.
then don't, for all you are doing is showing how you are a thrall to the flag.
You think this is just life, and it is just like this everywhere, but guess what? IT ISN'T.
the only other places where it isn't like this is in dictatorships, but that's because they are forced to.
So grow up, realise what's happening, and show some respect for your country.
I could demand the same of you. you are brainwashed into thinking that america is the best country ever, but nothing is perfect, and america is far from the best one. why do you think so many educated americans want to go to colleges outside of america?
how great it is to live in a country where we can say what we want, and aren't overcharged for water, and have something like electricity, and don't get hit as often with forestfires as other countries do. You think this is just life, and it is just like this everywhere, but guess what? IT ISN'T.
That's all well and nice, but what does it have to do with the pledge? In my country we have all that too, and we don't say any kind of pledge whatsoever. We still have lotsa people who're proud of their country.
We don't need to force school children to repeat it every day.
Do kids in school really have to say the pledge regularly? That seems a bit extreme. I mean sometimes on special occasions, ok, but this? Really?
I find this topic interesting considering i'm not from America. In Ireland we don't have an equivalent to the pledge, but if we did, i wouldn't say it.
I mean i don't think it's offensive to not say the pledge in America, it doesn't mean you don't love your country.
I don't think anyone here [pr anywhere] for that matter has the right to judge someone and tell them they hate America for not saying it. It's fair play if you want to, but what others do is their business and should not be attacked by you.
Kasic, you know what, if you cannot show any respect for your country, then MOVE!
1) When did I ever say I had no respect for this country?
2) Just because I don't think this place is the perfect shining holy land of milk and honey doesn't mean that I think it's a bad place either.
You CHOOSE not to respect us, then why argue to try and make the GOOD Americans feel bad?
1) American is one of the most ignorant, arrogant countries out there. Your comments aren't helping to prove me otherwise.
2) "Good Americans?" What am I doing that's bad? Not being blindly patriotic?
I'm tired of arguing with people like you, who do not know how great it is to live in a country where we can say what we want, and aren't overcharged for water, and have something like electricity, and don't get hit as often with forestfires as other countries do.
You seem to have this idea that this is only available in America, that we're so unique for it. We're not.
You're falling into my example of how blindly patriotic Americans are btw. We have our share of issues.
You think this is just life, and it is just like this everywhere, but guess what? IT ISN'T.
You seem to think America is some utopia and unique for it. It's not.
So grow up, realise what's happening, and show some respect for your country.
1) I'll respect it when the people who make it what it is are respectable.
2) Point and case. You attack and insult me and basically tell me to gtfo because I disagree that the pledge is important.
Do kids in school really have to say the pledge regularly? That seems a bit extreme. I mean sometimes on special occasions, ok, but this? Really?
The majority of schools -require- school children to say it. A few make it mandatory, but in all it's encouraged. What it basically boils down to is what Bladerunner679 said, brainwashing.
Hmm...forced repetition of a mantra to be said by everyone/school children...remind you of any time/place?
...you know what, if you cannot show any respect for your country, then MOVE!
As far as I know, one has the right to live where he wishes to, whether he respects the country or not.
...GOOD Americans feel bad?
Saying a few lines does not make you any more than a good American than eating bread with pizza makes me a good Serbian.
I'm tired of arguing with people like you, who do not know how great it is to live in a country where we can say what we want, and aren't overcharged for water, and have something like electricity, and don't get hit as often with forestfires as other countries do.
I see you think that only the US has all these necessities. If you didn't know, there's a 10 or so percentage of the US population that is in need of these very stuff you just enlisted us.
So grow up, realise what's happening, and show some respect for your country.
What's happening is you're being brainwashed into thinking the US is a perfect country where everything good happens. Open your eyes, listen to the news a little, you'll discover a handful of problems in 1 hour.
If you say America is FAR from the best country, name five countries that have it better.
Out the top of my head (that means without guarantee), I'd say Norway, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany... but how does that prove any point? Out of all the points available for you to adress after your previous post, I'd say this one is the poorest choice. We're not saying America is a bad country, but there are many countries who have a similar standard of life and who don't use a pledge. We're not saying the pledge is bad either, we're just saying it shouldn't be enforced. That's all.
Well, Saudi Arabia is one of the richest countries, and rich countries are usually better off.
Why don't you address some of my earlier points?
1) American is one of the most ignorant, arrogant countries out there.
You seem to have this idea that this is only available in America, that we're so unique for it. We're not.
The majority of schools -require- school children to say it. A few make it mandatory, but in all it's encouraged. What it basically boils down to is what Bladerunner679 said, brainwashing.
