I was wondering if you actually do say the Pledge. Meself, I don't. I'll stand up for it, although I don't feel like standing. My reasons? Well, for one, I don't want to pledge to a country. Don't get me wrong, I think this country is great, but I don't pledge to anything. And, second, it says "with liberty and justice for all." Really? Can homosexuals marry the person they love? Can Atheists hold a place in office in some states? We are *a little bit* far from liberty, equality, and justice for all.
Personally in my school we don't have to since the day's too busy to waste time on a pledge plus in the morning it's mostly pure announcements for the day.
Here's a map of states (the ones in blue) that require students to say the pledge in public schools.
Just to clarify the map...
The upper one is the map showing which states have SCHOOlS required to have the pledge recited.
The lower one shows which states the students have to recite it (no option)
Regardless, about 3/4 of the states schools are required to recite it. While it is also true that in most of these states students have the option to refuse, it IS encouraged to recite it.
There was a kid who got in trouble for refusing to cite the pledge of alleigance. The reason he refused is because he had a friend who was gay and the line with liberty and justice for all in it wasnt fair to gays and lesbians because they werent fair to them, we arent fair to them. We dont have liberty and justice for all. You can watch it here [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT9I-36aim8]
[quote]with liberty and justice for all." Really? Can homosexuals marry the person they love? Can Atheists hold a place in office in some states?
Yes I believe Atheists can run for office any ware but they may not get voted in because high Christian population in some places And about homosexuals I donât believe in gay marriage because its sick and unnatural I guess they have a right to be gay and Iâm fine with them getting married as long as they stop ranting and pushing for their ârightsâ get the hell out of are hair
Yes I believe Atheists can run for office any ware
Not true.
"In the United States, seven state constitutions officially include religious tests that would effectively prevent atheists from holding public office, and in some cases being a juror/witness, though these have not generally been enforced since the early nineteenth century."
but they may not get voted in because high Christian population in some places
This part is true though.
I don�t believe in gay marriage because its sick and unnatural
I don't believe in gay marriage because I believe/think it's sick and unnatural*
Corrected that for you. Not only is it not a mental illness, it's also not unnatural. Homosexuality can be found in many different species.
as long as they stop ranting and pushing for their �rights� get the hell out of are hair
They would...if they got their rights. Until that time comes, expect to see protests/etc. IF they were to just sit quietly by, their situation would never change.
We dont have liberty and justice for all.
And I fully agree. Just another tick on the long list of reasons why the pledge is unimportant/faulty/shouldn't be present in a school setting on a constant basis.
The lower one shows which states the students have to recite it (no option)
Wait... if I'm in Texas, then... they should be forcing me to say the pledge, apparently, though, because it's required for students to recite it, but they haven't done anything... maybe because I still stand up they think I'm reciting it?
Wait... if I'm in Texas, then... they should be forcing me to say the pledge, apparently, though, because it's required for students to recite it, but they haven't done anything... maybe because I still stand up they think I'm reciting it?
Just don't say it if you want to. Not like the teachers have their eyes on all of you at the same time.
i do agree about the ``founded on being free'' part, but 95% of them were actually christian
So? Most, if not all of them agreed to not meddle with religion in the founding principles and the Constitution.
Madison: ''The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed.''
By not medaling with religion it means we will not burn you at the stake for being a protestant or being stoned for not being Muslim
Um, did you read that part?:
Madison: ''The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed.''
That means there is no "we won't burn you", because there is no "we" in a religious sense. No national religion means the christian majority has no more right than the smallest religious minority. It also means you have no more right to impose your religious morals and standards than all minorities. I don't know exactly what you meant by 'but 95% of them were actually christian', but Madison made it pretty much irrelevant how many christians there are or are not.
