In order for you to understand this one, you need to watch this episode of the colbert report. you only need to watch the final segment with the interview, but by all means watch the whole thing.
this guy is trying something that not even william jennings bryan was able to do in his battle in the supreme court. he is trying to put creationism back into biology classes, and history classes. he is trying to take a dump on the so called "left-wing liberalists" (scientific knowledge) and believes that his cause is just.
in my opinion, this is something that I as an educated atheist texan (a very small minority, mind you) cannot stand for. he is trying to force religious belief when we have in effect some form of church and state separation that prevents such an act of fundamental idiocy.
now, my better question is, should we allow people like this any say in how our educational system is run? what is your take on this guy's quest?
He has every right to introduce Theology as an elective and religion is already added in Geography and World History as a means of culture and tradition, but Creationism should by no means be integrated into Biology because these are two entirely different topics. This guy needs to understand what both Education and Biology is before proposing to add religion into it. In Education, the material needs to be relevant to the course curriculum (which it isn't). In Biology, you're dealing with the physical, physiological, Evolutionary, ecological, genetic, geological, meteorological, and otherwise mundane aspects of life.
Creationism is by no means mundane; it is fantastic.
He has every right to introduce Theology as an elective and religion is already added in Geography and World History as a means of culture and tradition
I completely agree. The thing is, no religious person wants to go for it because it wouldn't just teach their religion, and it wouldn't present it in a biased way (as much as possible anyways) but would instead show them all as just beliefs people hold.
his guy needs to understand what both Education and Biology is before proposing to add religion into it. In Education, the material needs to be relevant to the course curriculum (which it isn't). In Biology, you're dealing with the physical, physiological, Evolutionary, ecological, genetic, geological, meteorological, and otherwise mundane aspects of life.
Not to mention that creationism isn't even science in any way, thus already is disqualified from a "Science" course. Which is basically what you said with the dealing with physical etc stuff, but oh well.
On to the actual guy. I'm just going to list strikes on what he says.
Strike one: "Evolutionists." Strike two: "They would have us believe so much." Strike three: Doesn't understand something from nothing applies to God. Strike four: Simplest explanation/We don't share the same theology. So everyone understanding something magical in a completely different way is more simple than an explanation for what happened based on knowledge which we can demonstrate and find evidence for.
yes we know how it all works but forget everything thats in your books in fact burn it down because we now have only 1 book left. the bible. and god did it all.
By that reasoning, -every- religious story of creation and the implications from it should be taught in biology. Not only would this be a huge waste of time, they are all as unbacked as the rest.
but if he tries to teach his own thoughts...
That's basically what religion is: someone who had their own thoughts and then shoved it down other people's throats and they got their own garbled version of it and they shove it down yet more people's throats. Usually the recipients of said shoving are the children of the previously throat-stuffed people.
@blade by not letting him put his stuff in the schools you are then forcing your "religion" on them thus doing the exact same thing you were just ranting against
@blade by not letting him put his stuff in the schools you are then forcing your "religion" on them thus doing the exact same thing you were just ranting against
How about....no? Religion can be taught in schools, Creationism can be taught, but not in Biology class, but in Religious Studies. Evolution is an aspect of science backed by experimentation, Creationism isn't, and that's why it cannot be parked under Biology. That's all.
you said that putting creation into school is putting religion into it and putting the "theory" of evolution isn't any worse maybe at the very least the schools should be able to decide for themselves if they want creationism or evolution taught you are quite a hypocrite bladrunner
nichodemus tell me how is this "theory" of evolution scientifically proved are you telling me that they've proved that you can create life from an explosion honestly, there's a thread rule that you can't post anything hateful about a religious group or race etc. you guys have clearly broken that rule
you said that putting creation into school is putting religion into it and putting the "theory" of evolution isn't any worse maybe at the very least the schools should be able to decide for themselves if they want creationism or evolution taught you are quite a hypocrite bladrunner
why not?
Because Creationism is not science. Science is systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation. Clearly, religion does not fit into this mold and definition, therefore it cannot be classified as biology. You can teach it, but not as a biological topic. It's under religion.
nichodemus tell me how is this "theory" of evolution scientifically proved are you telling me that they've proved that you can create life from an explosion honestly, there's a thread rule that you can't post anything hateful about a religious group or race etc. you guys have clearly broken that rule
I have not broken any rules, because I have not criticized religion. I have stated religion is not science, that's not an insult. Really, are you so blind?
Also, the Big Bang is not evolution. Good Lord, no wonder with such a jumbled understanding of science, you guys don't grasp it at all.
1, Religion is belief based on faith - faith is belief without evidence. Science is based around evidence, proof and fact. Can you see why religion shouldn't be taught in the same breath as science? It's like mixing oil and water. 2. You seem to be confusing Evolution, Abiogenesis and the Big Bang theory in some weird jumble. The Big Bang theory doesn't have anything to say about how life begun or how it evolved. 3. Some people have opinions that don't match yours, these opinions are just as valid as yours, you can't claim persecution merely because someone is stating their opinion and it isn't the same as yours.
nichodemus tell me how is this "theory" of evolution scientifically proved are you telling me that they've proved that you can create life from an explosion honestly, there's a thread rule that you can't post anything hateful about a religious group or race etc. you guys have clearly broken that rule
If a user made a comment that said "X religion is *insert negative comment* and all people who believe in it are *insert other negative comment*", then I would be inclined to believe in you. However, Nichodemus only said that religion does not belong in Biology because it is not a scientific course. You cannot accuse someone of hate if it is a calmly-announced truth.
